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Old 04-01-2023, 02:57 PM
 
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It is odd that Italy bans AI, but the Mafia flourishes there and they have no problem with that.
Mussolini & the Mafia:

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In 1924, Mussolini initiated a campaign to destroy the Sicilian Mafia. In order to destroy the Mafia, Mori felt it necessary to "forge a direct bond between the population and the state, to annul the system of intermediation under which citizens could not approach the authorities except through middlemen receiving as a favour that which is due them as their right."

Mori's campaign ended in June 1929 when Mussolini recalled him to Rome. Although Mori did not permanently crush the Mafia, his campaign was successful at suppressing it. The Mafia informant Antonino Calderone reminisced: "The music changed. Mafiosi had a hard life. After the war the mafia hardly existed anymore. The Sicilian Families had all been broken up."

Sicily's murder rate sharply declined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicili...Fascist_regime

The US & Mafia

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The Navy contacted Meyer Lansky, a known associate of Salvatore C. Luciano and one of the top non-Italian associates of the Mafia, about a deal with the Mafia boss Luciano. Luciano, also known as Lucky Luciano, was one of the highest-ranking Mafia both in Italy and the US and was serving a 30 to 50 years sentence for compulsory prostitution in the Clinton Prison.

The State of New York, Luciano and the Navy struck a deal in which Luciano guaranteed full assistance of his organization in providing intelligence to the Navy. In addition, Luciano associate Albert Anastasia—who controlled the docks and ran Murder, Inc.—allegedly guaranteed no dockworker strikes throughout the war. In return, the State of New York agreed to commute Luciano's sentence.

The Mafia was involved in assisting the U.S. war efforts. Luciano's associates found numerous Sicilians to help the Naval Intelligence draw maps of the harbors of Sicily and dig up old snapshots of the coastline. Vito Genovese, another Mafia boss, offered his services to the U.S. Army and became an interpreter and advisor to the U.S. Army military government in Naples. He quickly became one of AMGOT’s most trusted employees. Through the Navy Intelligence’s Mafia contacts from Operation Underworld, the names of Sicilian underworld personalities and friendly Sicilian natives who could be trusted were obtained and actually used in the Sicilian campaign.

The Joint Staff Planners (JSP) for the US Joint Chiefs of Staff drafted a report titled Special Military Plan for Psychological Warfare in Sicily that recommended the “Establishment of contact and communications with the leaders of separatist nuclei, disaffected workers, and clandestine radical groups, e.g., the Mafia, and giving them every possible aid.” The report was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington on April 15, 1943.

Naval officials reviewed the report and requested Dewey to not release it on the grounds that it would be a public-relations disaster for the Navy and it might damage future similar war efforts. Dewey agreed, and the report was not released until after his death in the mid-1970s.

Notable scholars of the topic such as Selwyn Raab and Tim Newark have questioned the effectiveness of the Mafia in their help during Operation Husky.[23][24] Raab states that Luciano could not have helped during the invasion of Sicily, as he was out of touch with the Sicilian Mafia, and neither he nor the Cosa Nostra had any significant contribution to the Allied victory in Sicily. On the other hand, another scholar on the topic, Ezio Costanzo, alleges that Congressman Horan revealed that Luciano was visited 11 times by Naval Intelligence officers throughout his sentence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collab..._Italian_Mafia

And, today:

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This power began to be challenged in the 1980s and the early 1990s, and it was highly contested. There was a series of big trials in Palermo, which showed that it was possible to successfully put the Mafia on trial. Then, two of the key prosecutors who led many of these cases were assassinated in the summer of 1992. And that raised the stakes considerably.

This tragedy embarrassed the government into acting in a more forceful way and applying resources to the Mafia problem. It also created a change in the public mentality. The successful prosecution of these big crimes required witnesses to come forward. It meant that ordinary citizens in Sicily were asked to testify. Many people had traditionally believed we could never get Sicilians to testify against the Mafia. There’s a rule of omerta, a kind of rule of silence that Sicilians are going to obey. But when they were presented with a credible response from the state, they actually did testify. The fact that ordinary people were beginning to testify at trials changed the atmosphere and created possibilities for people within Sicilian society to openly oppose the Mafia.

Addiopizzo, which means “Goodbye Pizzo,” the price you pay for extortion, is a movement of shopkeepers and business owners to essentially guarantee that they will not pay extortion or deal with the Mafia, and therefore guarantee customers that they are buying a product or [inaudible] a store or a locale that is not doing business with the Mafia. What’s nice about it, what’s innovating and interesting about it, is that it applies a different strategy, rather than a kind of law enforcement strategy, to dealing with the Mafia. It implies a kind of consumer strategy, something like a boycott, so that you apply market pressure against the Mafia. Because, presumably, if people are favoring Mafia-free products or Mafia-free businesses, it's hurting those that are doing business with the Mafia. This is helping to shift the incentives and give people a reason, other than reasons of principle or pride, not to cooperate with the Mafia.
https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/s...ew/stille.html
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Old 04-02-2023, 01:35 AM
 
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I also find it funny the ceo Sam Altman "decided" that chatgpt should not be available in China, Russia, Iran. "Decided" lmao, ****** your board of directors has 5 people one of them is a CIA agent and he's bragging about it everywhere lol, how is this a decision? Ai should be available to everyone, everyone period. No one needs American politics in it...well other than america anyway.
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Old 04-08-2023, 09:42 PM
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AI tech is certainly concerning. Doesn’t this sort of cross a line into censorship though? Banning stuff is something I’d imagine most people probably don’t take seriously enough. You could say you lose a little bit of freedom every time something gets banned. Does anyone else think other countries would be better to spend their energy on a coalition or something that pushes for better safeguards on this tech?
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Old 04-08-2023, 11:20 PM
 
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^ I have so many issues with it, none of which comes closer to "terminator will kill us all":


1. "AI" is just a buzzword invented by American companies to inflate their stock price.
2. CIA and soon China/Russia collect personal information based on the presumption people feel safe talking to "ai";
3. False claims AI is "woke", (I tested to see if its racist and it was remarkably racist even by 1940 standards lol)
4. People ******ing bitcoin uses electricity not realizing the amount of absurd electricity "ai" uses with video cards
5. Literally 80+% of the useful programming code "ai" (chatgpt) gives you will not compile hence you're wasiting time instead of saving time.
6. Who told who that in 2023 San Francisco and America is the future? I thought this was the year 2002 with google and the internet, even China is old news in 2023.
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Old 04-15-2023, 03:11 PM
 
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And now this...note how 80%+ or way more of the top comments are mocking the decision, and mind you this is reddit: the far left, gay college kids of the world who adore the EU and hate Putin/America. Imagine if this was twitter lol:


https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comm...atbots_on_the/
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Old 04-19-2023, 08:31 AM
 
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Old Italians don't want anything to change. This is what happens to a country when the old outnumber the young. Everything grinds to a halt and nothing ever changes.
Note that this has been already banned in other countries apart from Italy!

Personally I think that ChatGPT will infest the whole internet like a plague and it will be difficult to differentiate people from bots at some point.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:02 AM
 
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^ you have just a single message = chatgpt.


I was thinking about a forum where humans have discussions with "Ai" and the "ai" has "ai" label next to it...this way if Alice-ai starts a topic and some human member replies, it will be very vivid.



In addition the same thing could work for youtube and tweeter.
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Old 04-20-2023, 02:42 PM
 
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And btw this is what the "diverse" creators of chatgpt look like, how is this allowed in 2023? I thought it's forbidden with up to 500 years imprisonment and a fine if you're white man inventing these days (yes one is jew and the girl is Albanian (or half-albanian??) but still:


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/15/t...ce-openai.html
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Old 04-22-2023, 08:39 AM
 
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It is odd that Italy bans AI, but the Mafia flourishes there and they have no problem with that.
Uh, they have done their beset to stamp out organized crime, but it can't be done, as those who pay protection money often find their patrons much more effective than the law in solving their problems. Organized crime crime continues to exist because it is ingrained in their society.
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Old 04-22-2023, 08:55 AM
 
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Uh, they have done their beset to stamp out organized crime, but it can't be done, as those who pay protection money often find their patrons much more effective than the law in solving their problems. Organized crime crime continues to exist because it is ingrained in their society.

Given the shoplifting/mass shooting pandemic in America it's beyond hilarious attacking Italy for it's 80's lasciatemi cantare issues...call me "borat paid by putin" as much as you want, it can't be unfunny lol:


https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/stat...01469388296194
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