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Old 06-07-2023, 09:00 AM
 
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"Why AI Will Save The World" an opinion piece by Marc Andreessen

https://pmarca.substack.com/p/why-ai...save-the-world

(Andreessen is an entrepreneur, venture capital investor, and software engineer. He is the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser with a graphical user interface; co-founder of Netscape; and co-founder and general partner of Silicon Valley venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz)

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AI will not destroy the world, and in fact may save it...

What AI offers us is the opportunity to profoundly augment human intelligence to make all of these outcomes of intelligence – and many others, from the creation of new medicines to ways to solve climate change to technologies to reach the stars – much, much better from here.
Some of his points:
  • Every child will have an AI tutor
  • Every person will have an AI personal assistant/coach/mentor/trainer/advisor/therapist
  • Every scientist will have an AI research assistant/collaborator/partner
  • Every leader of people will have the same.
  • Productivity growth throughout the economy will accelerate dramatically, driving economic growth, creation of new industries, creation of new jobs, and wage growth, and resulting in a new era of heightened material prosperity across the planet.
  • Breakthroughs in science, technology, and medicine will expand dramatically
  • The creative arts will enter a golden age
  • AI is going to improve warfare, when it has to happen, by reducing wartime death rates dramatically.
In short, anything that people do with their natural intelligence today can be done much better with AI.

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And this isn’t just about intelligence! Perhaps the most underestimated quality of AI is how humanizing it can be. AI art gives people who otherwise lack technical skills the freedom to create and share their artistic ideas. Talking to an empathetic AI friend really does improve their ability to handle adversity. And AI medical chatbots are already more empathetic than their human counterparts. Rather than making the world harsher and more mechanistic, infinitely patient and sympathetic AI will make the world warmer and nicer.

There is much, much more to his article. It is worth a read.
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Old 06-07-2023, 10:51 AM
 
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Save the world from what exactly?

I don't care if AI eliminates all jobs entirely...so long as the government and the people are willing to mitigate the fallout.

You know what I can't stand though? Misanthropic rubes who call for AI to displace human labor but then try to convince us we don't need things like UBI.
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Old 06-07-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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Nice advertisement there. I'm not buying it for a second. Good luck.
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Yakima yes, an apartment!
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AI does not create, it does not think, it only repeats what it's been told, informed or shown.

The human race is still selfish, impatient, gross, smug, idiotic and ignorant. AI won't solve those problems.
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Old 06-07-2023, 05:49 PM
 
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You know what I can't stand though? Misanthropic rubes who call for AI to displace human labor but then try to convince us we don't need things like UBI.
That's rather a different topic. Why don't you start a thread on that?
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Old 06-07-2023, 06:40 PM
 
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That's rather a different topic. Why don't you start a thread on that?
It's tangential to the discussion, because I often read a lot of bellyaching remarks online about how "nobody wants to work" and why "we should displace them with machines" whenever human labor starts making any headway or receives any sort of benefit/advantage/upper hand.

Like I said, I'm all for AI displacing workers...just so long as we're prepared to carve out the means to take care of people who become unemployable. I don't know if that will happen in my lifetime (probably not). But it's definitely something we need to start preparing for and having serious discussions about. Five years ago, we weren't talking about ChatGPT and AI like we are today. Those changes came fast and they'll continue to come at warp speed as this technology improves. This is not one of those situations we can sit on our hands and yell "nah, nah, nah, nah, nothing's wrong!".

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Old 06-08-2023, 07:21 AM
 
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"Why AI Will Save The World" an opinion piece by Marc Andreessen

https://pmarca.substack.com/p/why-ai...save-the-world

(Andreessen is an entrepreneur, venture capital investor, and software engineer. He is the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser with a graphical user interface; co-founder of Netscape; and co-founder and general partner of Silicon Valley venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz)

From his article:



Some of his points:
  • Every child will have an AI tutor
  • Every person will have an AI personal assistant/coach/mentor/trainer/advisor/therapist
  • Every scientist will have an AI research assistant/collaborator/partner
  • Every leader of people will have the same.
  • Productivity growth throughout the economy will accelerate dramatically, driving economic growth, creation of new industries, creation of new jobs, and wage growth, and resulting in a new era of heightened material prosperity across the planet.
  • Breakthroughs in science, technology, and medicine will expand dramatically
  • The creative arts will enter a golden age
  • AI is going to improve warfare, when it has to happen, by reducing wartime death rates dramatically.
In short, anything that people do with their natural intelligence today can be done much better with AI.




There is much, much more to his article. It is worth a read.
Um, how does one negotiate with an AI that insists that things must be done a certain way and won't budge? On the flip side, if an AI is too "flexible" or "lenient", how does one make sure that restraints or rules can be enforced? Unless you can automate human judgment itself, there is a limit to what tasks can be automated. And, what if you do try to automate human judgment, and the bot does something terrible - what are you going to do, put the bot in cyber-prison?

None of this is to say that AI isn't a useful tool. Just that one must be aware of the limits of technology at each step in its development.
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Old 06-08-2023, 09:46 AM
 
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Nice advertisement there. I'm not buying it for a second. Good luck.
Exactly, it’s not like they are going to give these capabilities away for free (if they even materialize).
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Old 06-08-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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If you have to be told if AI is good or bad for you, then you aren't smart enough to benefit from it. A lot of these tools are already free to use and experiment with. Just go use ChatGPT or Bing search with AI. There are also hundreds of less well known tools out there.
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Old 06-08-2023, 11:20 AM
 
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"Why AI Will Save The World" an opinion piece by Marc Andreessen
We can already see the danger of AI.

The world doesn't need saving.

What AI will do is attempt to reshape the world in the image of the people who control the AI.

We can already see that with this: "...ways to solve climate change..."

There is no climate change. In my life, the Doom & Gloom predictions promogulated by the Global Warming Cabal vis-a-vis sea level rise were 10 meters by 2050 then 3 meters by 2050 then 1 meter by 2050 and as of November 2022....12" by 2050 and the global warming nutter on NPR said 6" of that would be due to continental subsidence so in reality only 6" due to "global warming."

Do you seriously believe an AI tutor is going to allow school children of any age to read this research conducted by the Danish government:

“Even though the warm Eemian period was a period when the oceans were four to eight meters higher than today, the ice sheet in northwest Greenland was only a few hundred meters lower than the current level, which indicates that the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet was less than half the total sea-level rise during that period,” says Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Professor at the Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, and leader of the NEEM-project.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.nbi.ku.dk/english/news/n...e-of-the-past/

.Or this research published in the Left-Wing global warming supporting Nature:

Palaeo data suggest that Greenland must have been largely ice free during Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS-11). The globally averaged MIS-11 sea level is estimated to have reached between 6–13 m above that of today.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16008

Or the dozens of other papers saying the same thing?

The EPICA A Dome Ice Core sample contains a record of 9 Glacial Periods and 8 Inter-Glacial Periods going back about 800,000 years.

Average global temperatures ranged from 7.5°F to 15.2°F and sea levels from 4 meters to 14 meters higher than present. So if sea levels rise another 10 meters and the average global temperature is 10°F warmer than present, what is the only truthful accurate scientific statement that can be made?

This Inter-Glacial is normal, except this Inter-Glacial Period is unusual, abnormal, and unprecedent, because global temperatures are colder than normal and sea levels are lower than normal.

Students have been using AI tutors since STUPID-19. The info is pulled from Pukipedia. For math and at least some of the science (obviously not global warming) the entries are accurate and usually written by subject matter experts.

For historical Pukis, those are not written by subject matter experts, they contain false statements, lies of omission, the info is skewed, and the conclusions are all wrong, and that is especially true of the Puki on the Cuban Missile Crisis which contains false statements, lies of omission, skews the info to put Kennedy in the most favorable light, and then draws the wrong conclusion. There was never a risk of war and the Soviets won Cuban Missile Crisis that Kennedy caused. The photo of the ship is a lie because it did not have nuclear warheads onboard, but it did have launchers for the SS-5, but that is of no consequence since the Soviets already had 3 battalions of SS-4s and one battalion and one battery of SS-5s operational.

The closest you ever came to WW III was 37 minutes which is how long it would take the F-4 Phantom IIs on the deck of the USS Enterprise (as part of Task Force 74) to launch, form up, and travel the distance to drop their napalm and cluster bombs on Brigadier Golwalla's 52nd Infantry Brigade and Brigadier Khan's 106 Infantry Brigade which were part of the 11th Infantry Division under the command of LTG Sher's IV Corps who were ready to drive on Naya Chor and onto the Indus River then swing south to Hyderabad.

I mention that because the Puki on Task Force 74 contains false statements, lies of omission, and the info is skewed to draw all the wrong conclusions. The person who wrote that Puki is not a subject matter expert. I am.

Do you seriously believe world leaders and the movers and shakers in government and other leaders are going to use an AI platform written by Americans?

Because AIs saying different things will create just as much conflict as not having AIs and world leaders saying different things.

Any neutral AI should tell US Presidents to disband AFRICOM and withdraw from sub-Saharan Africa because the US can never gain control of sub-Saharan Africa.

Any neutral AI should tell US Presidents to stop bank-rolling Ukraine and broker a peace deal that leaves Ukraine as a neutral buffer-State, because the current US geo-political strategy is unsustainable and cannot be brought to fruition.

The US desperately needs control of Ukraine to operate the No-Fly Zone over Russia while the US and Britain carve up the eastern Russian republics for their resources.

Because Russia controls Crimea, it means NATO aircraft from Romania and Bulgaria will have to over-fly the SAM umbrella from Russian surface groups and the over-fly the SAM umbrella on Crimea to get to Russia. The loss rate will be high and even if it isn't, any aircraft that goes to after-burner will have to turn back because it won't have sufficient fuel to orbit in the No-Fly Zone.

Even so, the most glaring absurdity is ignoring China. To think that China will sit by idly twiddling its thumbs while the US and Britain smuggle weapons and equipment from Central Asia into the eastern Russian republics and bankroll the "pro-democracy" groups there is fantasy.

China can legitimately claim those "pro-democracy" groups armed by the US and Britain are a threat to its northern borders and intervene on Russia's behalf, so again, the US cannot win.

The costs of not implementing this strategy are clear. Failure to meet our defense objectives will result in decreasing U.S. global influence, eroding cohesion among allies and partners, and reduced access to markets that will contribute to a decline in our prosperity and standard of living.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Do...gy-Summary.pdf

In a word: Ukraine.

Any neutral AI should recognize that a decline in economic prosperity and Standard of Living is inevitable so the best approach is to re-invent the US through domestic economic policies.

Any neutral AI should recognize that the policies of the Departments of Housing & Urban Development and Transportation are the reason why housing is not affordable in many of the 160,000+ housing markets in the US.

It should recognize that HUD and DOT violated the Laws of Economics. It should see that unaffordable housing prices is one of the penalties for violating the Laws of Economics. It should recognize that the Command Market Economics employed by HUD and DOT failed. The recommended corrective action is to cease providing tax-payer monies to New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Atlanta, Detroit, St Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, and a couple of others and redistribute those monies to cities with populations less than 500,000.

Do you seriously believe any President or Secretary of HUD/DOT is going to do what AI suggests?

Even worse, what if the programmers of AI are anti-federalists?

You already have several groups working feverishly to crow-bar the US into a unitary-State.

There's a very valid reason why the men who created the US flatly rejected a unitary-State without any consideration. It's because they knew it would fail. A unitary-State only works when you have one ethnic group and one culture. Where you have multiple ethnic groups and cultures, you always have strife and conflict that always turns into a civil war.

Britain made Afghanistan a unitary-State and it failed because there are 400 tribes in Afghanistan. Then the US repeated Britain's mistake and look where you are.

Didn't you just have a revolt in Spain? If you thought Spain was one ethnic group, you're wrong. There are 14 and one continually got the shaft economically and politically so they revolted.

After digesting the committee meeting minutes, the personal journals and diaries of committee members, the letters the men on that committee wrote to each other and to members of other committees, every AI should come to the conclusion that the "general Welfare" clause applies only to the federal government and not the States and not to the People. That means several cabinet offices should be disbanded. Will they be disbanded?

Nope.

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In short, anything that people do with their natural intelligence today can be done much better with AI.
AI might help with some things, but it'll make a mess of everything else.
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