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INTERNAL use of colloidal silver, can and does cause PERMANENT bluish discoloration of the skin.
The explanation of the term blue blood is also false....while some theorize the term did come from Argyria which is the term for the bluish discoloration of the skin from internal use of silver, it was not from the use of colloidal silver but they were the only ones with "silverware".
I must say I love the characterization of "rubbing" silver on the skin as "mad" but internal use is "sane"
The above site quotes many things which apparently turns you 'blue', but I don't see EICS mentioned anywhere??
Silver Acetate...That's not EICS!
Silver Amalgam tatooing...That's not EICS!
Silver sutures...That's not EICS!
Silver salts & Silver protein...That's not EICS either!
Acupuncture...That's not EICS either!
Article cites a lot of lotions, potions, solutions etc etc but I don't see EICS mentioned anywhere!
The article mentions that Argyria has become rare due to the avoidance of Silver-containing compounds...Well that isn't EICS either!
I stopped reading at this point for 2 reasons, (a) I have heard it all before, and (b) A multitude of reasons were given but EICS was NOT one of them, not that I could find, up to the point where I stopped reading anyway.
Sorry about that, but if you could cite me some material which can show and has been scientifically proven, and repeatedly proven, that EICS causes Argyria let me know so that I can further my own research on the subject. Thanks.
The above site quotes many things which apparently turns you 'blue', but I don't see EICS mentioned anywhere??
Silver Acetate...That's not EICS!
Silver Amalgam tatooing...That's not EICS!
Silver sutures...That's not EICS!
Silver salts & Silver protein...That's not EICS either!
Acupuncture...That's not EICS either!
Article cites a lot of lotions, potions, solutions etc etc but I don't see EICS mentioned anywhere!
The article mentions that Argyria has become rare due to the avoidance of Silver-containing compounds...Well that isn't EICS either!
I stopped reading at this point for 2 reasons, (a) I have heard it all before, and (b) A multitude of reasons were given but EICS was NOT one of them, not that I could find, up to the point where I stopped reading anyway.
Sorry about that, but if you could cite me some material which can show and has been scientifically proven, and repeatedly proven, that EICS causes Argyria let me know so that I can further my own research on the subject. Thanks.
Colloidal silver absolutely causes Argyria
There is no good reason to ingest silver containing products including colloidal silver
450ml...(That's close to half a litre), @ 450ppm and consumed 3 times a day...???!!! Mmmmmm.....1 1/2 litres, almost, of 450ppm A DAY??? I don't think I need say any more on that! I hark back to my 2 or 3 bottles of aspirin a day!![ones' demise being my educated guess].
Both, your Governing bodies and ours, stipulate that indiscriminate use is cause for concern...Can't argue with that my friend! But I consider the above to be...just a tad...indiscriminate, wouldn't you? As is the case I suggest, for every article written, and every pic published you will find, upon further research, will varify, [confirmed by all the material I have researched to date anyway].
Yes, I have seen both these sites also. The second site you have included I won't comment on, as if you dig a little deeper you may just find an alternative agenda there! I'll give you a hint...look for 'funding'!!
The pics displayed can be viewed on a squillion sites in the public domain so I don't see any credibility for those in the article, without quoting researched analysis on EICS which has been conducted by the people concerned who wrote the article.
You see, most of what is available in the public domain is either (a) inaccurate, (b) outdated, (c) unresearched by those individuals concerned, (d) misinterpreted, (e) misrepresented and finally, (e) just plain copied from a squillion other sources available in the public domain. I want to look, and learn, far beyond all the hype that is readily available.
Again, if you can point me in the direction of relevant, up to date information on EICS I will gladly accept to further my own research. But...It must be relating to Electro-Ionic Colloidal Silver, not proteins, not compounds, not acetates, not nitrates and not 'who knows whatever else', because these are simply not EICS.
I find the 'Colloidal Silver based products as a cure all' statement rather infantile to warrant inclusion in the article as even 'Blind Freddy' would know there is no such thing!
If you can find material directly related to EICS, and produced by the methods in use today, coupled with appropriate dosages, citing actual cases, properly produced, and properly monitored and administered CS please let me know,...Good luck with that! because frankly, all I can find is, predominantly, hype and BS, and there is bucket loads of that info out there but very little of the other. All the information I have on the topic of 'blue' relates directly to the WILDLY indiscriminate use thereof. But, Hey... I am willing to learn as much as I can. I would willingly like to say that you have a legitimate point, but I don't believe I can at this point in time, [my opinion].
It all comes down to $$$$ not coming into the coffers of big pharma and the AMA. Whenever a powerful, low cost, natural substance like CS is genuinely helping people with their health issues, then a bad mouth scare tactic campaign is called for. Do it in a way that doesn't make it obvious that big pharma is behind it. Find a way to scare the living b-geesus out people so they won't even think of using it. Maybe some fear controlled people will even jump on the band wagon and start bad mouthing it without ever having used the product. Seems like those posters in this thread who are taking a negative slant on CS have never even used it. While I certainly wouldn't think of denying your right to express your OPINION, it is an opinion that carries no weight, in my mind at least.
It all comes down to $$$$ not coming into the coffers of big pharma and the AMA. Whenever a powerful, low cost, natural substance like CS is genuinely helping people with their health issues, then a bad mouth scare tactic campaign is called for. Do it in a way that doesn't make it obvious that big pharma is behind it. Find a way to scare the living b-geesus out people so they won't even think of using it. Maybe some fear controlled people will even jump on the band wagon and start bad mouthing it without ever having used the product. Seems like those posters in this thread who are taking a negative slant on CS have never even used it. While I certainly wouldn't think of denying your right to express your OPINION, it is an opinion that carries no weight, in my mind at least.
What difference would it make if I used it????
This is the worst argument in support of a useless product I have ever seen.....one doesn't need to TRY a dangerous product to have an opinion.
I have never smoked either, so I don't have the right to express the opinion that cigarettes are dangerous??? Ridiculous.
Colloidal silver is dangerous enough that the FDA has banned its use as a medicinal product, health food stores and the like can only sell it as a supplement IF they don't make outrageous health claims.
Fact: none of the varied claims made as to the uses of colloidal silver can be supported...
Fact: colloidal silver has known risks including argyria with negligible benefit that can be achieved by safer means.
Feel free to dispute these FACTS not OPINIONS with scientific evidence, clinical trials, double blinded studies that can PROVE colloidal silver does what its adherents claim.....I won't hold my breath waiting....
Also feel free to keep ranting about the evils of "big pharma" and the FDA because frankly your opinion carries no weight either...
I have never smoked either, so I don't have the right to express the opinion that cigarettes are dangerous??? Ridiculous.
In my post which you quoted, I said, While I certainly wouldn't think of denying your right to express your OPINION, it is an opinion that carries no weight, in my mind at least.
I have no problem with you or anyone else expressing an opinion. That's the beauty of this forum. Even if I thought your opinion was pure crap ( I don't think it is ), I respect your right to express it.
YEEEEESSSS.........!!! WOO HOO......!!! HAIL THE FREE THINKER!! See, I knew there were people out there who truly understood the way of the world!! Get the pedestal and put this person on it...quick! That's what stuffs any genuine endeavour...the old 'folding stuff', and in the case of old man pharma, LOTS OF IT...!!
NewAgeRedneck, You certainly have a grip on the way things work, I just wish the masses could see that, then we may see some REAL improvements, and change, in a lot of issues.
The masses have been brainwashed, browbeaten, BS...ed to, and had the wool pulled over their eyes for so long it's a pleasure indeed to hear a comment from someone that makes their own educated choices about what is fact and fiction and not just comply with their eyes looking at the floor.
Sorry for the overly excited reaction to your post NewAgeRedneck, but people are few and far between who actually do the research and base their own assessments and judgements, on that research and understanding. THANK YOU!!
Opinion doen't mean much in any debate, researched information is what carries the weight, positive and negative, but in the case of EICS the positive, BY FAR, outweighs the handful of negative instances, (due to the wildly indiscriminate use of, I hasten to add). Unfortunately 'Joe Bloggs' up the street just hasn't got enough 'folding stuff' to further any research to satisfy Governing bodies. What would change if these same bodies took into consideration the THOUSANDS of PERSONAL testimonials? BZZZZZ, Sorry, wrong answer....We want to see where you have spent zillions of dollars on research...We can't go by THOUSANDS of PERSONAL testimonials??!! Good God, what's the world coming to, we can't have you walking the streets thinking for yourself!!
Well there you go, poor old 'Joe' has to be content with doing his own research on the subject the best way he can, weighing up the pro's and con's for himself accordingly, and making his own judgements and assessing it for himself on the way. But...Hey.....That's OK, At least he is thinking for himself, and that's a positive sign! What's that old saying...Oh yeah...The man that has never made a mistake has never made anything.
Feel free to dispute these FACTS not OPINIONS with scientific evidence, clinical trials, double blinded studies that can PROVE colloidal silver does what its adherents claim.....I won't hold my breath waiting....
Also feel free to keep ranting about the evils of "big pharma" and the FDA because frankly your opinion carries no weight either...
blue...what it comes down to is that you and I have different ways of evaluating the efficacy of Collodial Silver. Whereas you put scientific proof on a pedastal, I put personal experience on my pedestal. In that sense the best we can do is to compare apples and oranges.
You are wise indeed in not holding your breath waiting for me to provide scientific proof. Quite honestly, I have no inclination to put in the time and energy to find out if any scientific evidence even exists. I really don't care. I knocked out a persistent sinus infection with a small dose of CS in just a few days. A few months later I knocked out another infection from some dental work even more rapidly. The proof is in the pudding! I know it works for me, and over the years, I've come across hundreds of testimonials written by other users who have had great success with it. That means more to me than all of the scientific evidence for or against it.
I will indeed continue my rants about the FDA & big pharma. The more of us who take the time to speak up about it, the more people are likely to wake up and discover that they have been hoodwinked. If you want to keep sleeping, so be it. That is your choice.
As for your opinion carrying no weight....I did not direct it to you personally and I further qualified my statement by saying that at least to me. It is you who took it personally. It is fine with me if my opinion carries no weight with you or anyone else for that matter. I understand that we are evaluating the situation from different viewpoints. You are free to disagree with me!
Again, let me say that one of the things I most enjoy about these forums is the outlet to express viewpoints and read viewpoints on the same subject that I totally disagree with. It's wonderful outlet! On some forums I find myself going head to head with certain posters and we have no love lost for each other. On other forums or on other threads we are the best of friends. I look forward to being your friend somewhere along the way.
My apologies bluedevilz, I hadn't realised you had a closed mind on the subject. I thought that you were looking for genuine and legitimate pro's and con's on the subject. The facts you are looking for obviously cannot be found in any government document, (open to the general public that is), because they won't include them. I have no doubt however, that the facts you, (and I), would like to see ARE THERE, but we both know that they will never be released to the general public. Well, not in our lifetimes perhaps!
In conclusion, and on a general note, (not necessarily to you), anyone who puts blind faith in any government may be a tad misguided if they believe truth would be forthcoming on any topic, let alone EICS, [my opinion].
I shall refrain from passing any further comments directly to your posts. But...It will still be 'open house' if I choose to give an opinion on anything you may say in the future, I'll just post it in a seperate response.
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Even if I thought your opinion was pure crap ( I don't think it is ), I respect your right to express it.