NHL open to another expansion franchise in Atlanta (Sandy Springs, Roswell: renter, motel)

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Gulch

There is no "North Metro" counter identity, just a bunch of jurisdictions wanting to be considered big time (Cobb County, Forsyth County, the North Fulton cities) yet still want to act like bedroom communities when it comes to transportation and land use.

This another issue, because Georgia has so many small counties and cities it work against cooperation and empower NIMBYism.

I'm for more amenities and developments on the northside, but there seriously needs to be improve infrastructure.

The problem is some NIMBYs have this view if they stop infrastructure improvement they can prevent growth. When the only thing that's going to happen is growth with inadequate infrastructure.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

This another issue, because Georgia has so many small counties and cities it work against cooperation and empower NIMBYism.

I'm for more amenities and developments on the northside, but there seriously needs to be improve infrastructure.

The problem is some NIMBYs have this view if they stop infrastructure improvement they can prevent growth. When the only thing that's going to happen is growth with inadequate infrastructure.

And if the NIMBYs want infrastructure, it’s always car-centric sprawling projects.

[bu2]

Forsyth approved a memorandum of understanding on a 2 billion dollar development to attract the NHL.

I just think that is too far to the north to work well. Alpharetta is probably as far north as you could go. Perimeter or near the Braves Stadium would be better.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by bu2

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I just think [Forsyth County] is too far to the north to work well. Alpharetta is probably as far north as you could go. Perimeter or near the Braves Stadium would be better.

Agreed. On all points.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by bu2

Forsyth approved a memorandum of understanding on a 2 billion dollar development to attract the NHL.

Here are some links to reports on that story:

Forsyth County Commissioners approve deal that could lead to new arena (WSB-TV)

Forsyth County enters binding agreement with 'The Gathering' developers, allowing project to move forward
- Developers hope this will put Forsyth County on the map with the goal of landing an NHL franchise. (11Alive)

Originally Posted by bu2

I just think that is too far to the north to work well. Alpharetta is probably as far north as you could go. Perimeter or near the Braves Stadium would be better.

Originally Posted by aries4118

Agreed. On all points.

Technically, the proposed Forsyth County site is considered to be Alpharetta as it is located in the part of the Alpharetta mailing area that is located in Forsyth County.

And while it seems that such a project for an arena for a major league professional sports team would be better located at a site that is further south closer to the urban core of metro Atlanta, some important factors that have seemingly far Northside suburban areas like Alpharetta and South Forsyth County apparently slated to be the sites of a future Atlanta area NHL franchise are that:

1) Both of the investor groups are based in the Northern suburbs and exurbs OTP and have no apparent desire in locating a future Atlanta area NHL franchise and/or NHL arena any further south than Alpharetta. The group of investors attempting to attract an NHL franchise to the North Point Mall site is based in Alpharetta while the group of investors attempting to attract an NHL franchise to the South Forsyth County site is led by a businessman who is based in Gainesville…

2) It is the Alpharetta municipal and Forsyth County governments that are offering to fund a significant portion of said proposed arena projects in their respective locations where the land is available to build a future NHL arena adjacent to a large mixed-use development and entertainment complex that very importantly will generate excess revenues for said proposed future Atlanta area NHL franchise…

3) The area where the two proposed NHL arena sites are located is in an affluent area where there is a large cluster of high-income earning households (with over $100k median yearly incomes) in North Fulton and South Forsyth counties…

4) The area where the two proposed NHL arena sites are located is also in an area that supposedly has one of the highest amounts of amateur participation and interest in the sport of ice hockey with a large amateur ice hockey scene that is fostered by five public ice rinks in the area at and well north of the I-285 Perimeter.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Technically, the proposed Forsyth County site is considered to be Alpharetta as it is located in the part of the Alpharetta mailing area that is located in Forsyth County.

I just moved pretty close to the proposed site. People hear Forsyth and think I moved to north of Cumming but I'm 10 minutes exactly to Avalon and less than 15 mins from downtown Alpharetta. People that live in "Alpharetta" but away from 400 take just as long to drive there. This site is literally right next to Fulton County and an exit for 400 is being built at McGinnis Ferry. It's a whole 2.5 miles farther north than Old Milton (exit for Avalon). 4 miles from Haynes Bridge (north exit for North Point Mall).

Personally, I still think something like North Point Mall's site would work better if it's going in Alpharetta. 2 exits on north and south end. MARTA busses could easily connect N Springs station to the site and maybe run special routes during the games. With Forsyth, I guess MARTA does have existing bus stops right on the border that could be used, but it seems like it would be less likely for Forsyth County to want that connection or be willing to work with MARTA to get people up from the city using the train/bus. But yea, it's really not that much farther north than an Alpharetta proper site.

[MichiganderTexan]

Originally Posted by bu2

Forsyth approved a memorandum of understanding on a 2 billion dollar development to attract the NHL.

I just think that is too far to the north to work well. Alpharetta is probably as far north as you could go. Perimeter or near the Braves Stadium would be better.

This is a disaster!!!!!

[bethereds82]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

I just moved pretty close to the proposed site. People hear Forsyth and think I moved to north of Cumming but I'm 10 minutes exactly to Avalon and less than 15 mins from downtown Alpharetta. People that live in "Alpharetta" but away from 400 take just as long to drive there. This site is literally right next to Fulton County and an exit for 400 is being built at McGinnis Ferry. It's a whole 2.5 miles farther north than Old Milton (exit for Avalon). 4 miles from Haynes Bridge (north exit for North Point Mall).

Personally, I still think something like North Point Mall's site would work better if it's going in Alpharetta. 2 exits on north and south end. MARTA busses could easily connect N Springs station to the site and maybe run special routes during the games. With Forsyth, I guess MARTA does have existing bus stops right on the border that could be used, but it seems like it would be less likely for Forsyth County to want that connection or be willing to work with MARTA to get people up from the city using the train/bus. But yea, it's really not that much farther north than an Alpharetta proper site.

Great points.

I think in terms of perception, Forsyth County does seem rather far away-- although there are parts of Forsyth county near GA 400 that are less than 10 min. from Avalon as you mentioned.

North Springs would be better, given that it could help redevelop the area. There are a ton of shops/stores and roadways near North Springs that could already handle the additional traffic. As you mentioned as well it's a short ride to the Marta North Springs station.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out!

[bu2]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

I just moved pretty close to the proposed site. People hear Forsyth and think I moved to north of Cumming but I'm 10 minutes exactly to Avalon and less than 15 mins from downtown Alpharetta. People that live in "Alpharetta" but away from 400 take just as long to drive there. This site is literally right next to Fulton County and an exit for 400 is being built at McGinnis Ferry. It's a whole 2.5 miles farther north than Old Milton (exit for Avalon). 4 miles from Haynes Bridge (north exit for North Point Mall).

Personally, I still think something like North Point Mall's site would work better if it's going in Alpharetta. 2 exits on north and south end. MARTA busses could easily connect N Springs station to the site and maybe run special routes during the games. With Forsyth, I guess MARTA does have existing bus stops right on the border that could be used, but it seems like it would be less likely for Forsyth County to want that connection or be willing to work with MARTA to get people up from the city using the train/bus. But yea, it's really not that much farther north than an Alpharetta proper site.

Cobb and Gwinnett have good rec hockey leagues. And you can't get to South Forsyth from Cobb or Gwinnett! At least not easily. That's why Perimeter and Cobb-Galleria area are so much superior.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by MichiganderTexan

This is a disaster!!!!!

Originally Posted by bethereds82

Great points.

I think in terms of perception, Forsyth County does seem rather far away-- although there are parts of Forsyth county near GA 400 that are less than 10 min. from Avalon as you mentioned.

North Springs would be better, given that it could help redevelop the area. There are a ton of shops/stores and roadways near North Springs that could already handle the additional traffic. As you mentioned as well it's a short ride to the Marta North Springs station.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out!

Yes.

The North Point Mall Area is as far north as it could go and still be OK. Anything beyond that is not OK.


Ideally, a new hockey arena would go to:

Best Option A: Cumberland Mall Area/Near Battery

Best Option B: Perimeter Mall Area/North Springs Area

Best Option C: Lindbergh Center Area

Best Option D: Atlantic Station Area

Best Option E: Downtown Atlanta Area