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Old 02-13-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Scranton
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Requiring the manual transmission to be in neutral before starting makes more sense than pressing the clutch pedal while cranking. I can think of several advantages:

1. It will make the car compatible with all remote starters without any additional requirements.
2. You can reach through the window to start the car, or ask the front seat passenger to start the car for you.
3. It is safer. Assuming the parking brake is set, a car won't move if it is in neutral, period. On the other hand, a clutch safety switch allows the car to be started in gear and launch forward or backwards when the clutch is released.

Thoughts?
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Cheaper to put a clutch sensor in than a neutral sensor which accomplishes the same thing. The car should never be parked in neutral anyway so why shift to neutral for no reason?
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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^^ There goes the remote start option.
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Old 02-13-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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^^ There goes the remote start option.
Yup, that's why you can't get remote start from the factory on manuals. Too much of a liability concern.
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Old 02-13-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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Requiring the manual transmission to be in neutral before starting makes more sense than pressing the clutch pedal while cranking. I can think of several advantages:

1. It will make the car compatible with all remote starters without any additional requirements.
2. You can reach through the window to start the car, or ask the front seat passenger to start the car for you.
3. It is safer. Assuming the parking brake is set, a car won't move if it is in neutral, period. On the other hand, a clutch safety switch allows the car to be started in gear and launch forward or backwards when the clutch is released.

Thoughts?
a clutch safety switch is used because most people who drive a manual transmission car use the transmission reverse gear to hold the car in place with the engine off. most people do not put the trans in neutral to start the car, so it makes sense to install a clutch safety switch to force people to use the clutch to make sure the engine is disconnected from the rest of the drive train to prevent someone from starting the car and having it lurch in one direction or another and possibly hurt someone, or damage property.

it is a liability concern.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The car should never be parked in neutral anyway so why shift to neutral for no reason?
Where did you get this info?

When I attended drivers ed, they always taught us to park a manual by putting the trans in neutral and setting the parking brake.

Of course I prefer to just leave it in 1st or reverse.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It is safer....a clutch safety switch allows the car to be started in gear and launch forward or backwards when the clutch is released.
Thoughts?
If my car is in gear and I release the clutch, it just stalls. It doesn't move unless I give it gas.
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Old 02-13-2012, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Scranton
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most people do not put the trans in neutral to start the car, so it makes sense to install a clutch safety switch to force people to use the clutch to make sure the engine is disconnected from the rest of the drive train to prevent someone from starting the car and having it lurch in one direction or another and possibly hurt someone, or damage property.

it is a liability concern.
Most people that I know put the trans in Neutral, start the car, then idle the engine for a little while. They do park in gear though.

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If my car is in gear and I release the clutch, it just stalls. It doesn't move unless I give it gas.
When you start a cold engine, they usually run at 1200-1500 rpms until it warms up. At those rpm, it will move the car as soon as the clutch pedal is released.
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Old 02-13-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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From what I recall, my ex 1994 Honda Civic required you to press the clutch lever to start the engine. The same thing with the 1998 Nissan Frontier truck. No matter what gear you are in, you still have to start with the clutch pressed in even it's in netural.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Where did you get this info?

When I attended drivers ed, they always taught us to park a manual by putting the trans in neutral and setting the parking brake.

Of course I prefer to just leave it in 1st or reverse.
I've had remote starters on three manuals, so I'm conditioned to leave them, and any other manual I drive, in neutral.

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If my car is in gear and I release the clutch, it just stalls. It doesn't move unless I give it gas.
Mine will keep on going, hot or cold. I can just about sidestep the clutch and it won't stall.

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From what I recall, my ex 1994 Honda Civic required you to press the clutch lever to start the engine. The same thing with the 1998 Nissan Frontier truck. No matter what gear you are in, you still have to start with the clutch pressed in even it's in netural.
Toyota trucks used to be like that, but they also had a button to push to bypass it.

Permanently bypassing the clutch safety interlock is simple on every car I've tried, FWIW.
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