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Old 01-09-2024, 02:42 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Still not following how this is not a Boeing issue. It was not a Max issue at the time, but the plane was still a Boeing.
The fan blade was made and inspected, tested and installed by the engine maker.
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Old 01-09-2024, 03:14 PM
 
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The fan blade was made and inspected, tested and installed by the engine maker.
And Boeing bears the responsibility for safely integrating it into their plane.
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Old 01-09-2024, 03:51 PM
 
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And Boeing bears the responsibility for safely integrating it into their plane.
Please explain how that works when they buy the product from a supplier that has provided documentation that it conforms to Boeings specifications.
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Old 01-09-2024, 04:28 PM
 
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Please explain how that works when they buy the product from a supplier that has provided documentation that it conforms to Boeings specifications.
When you're an end user of a product that, if it fails as part of your overall product, is going to kill a bunch of people, that's how it works: the ultimate responsibility falls on you.

This holds even if there aren't such implications - if you buy a Dell laptop and a video card manufactured by nVidia fails, are you going to nVidia for tech support? You're not. You're going to Dell. That's how systems integrations work.
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Old 01-09-2024, 05:21 PM
 
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^^^ How is this a Boeing issue?
The FAA has a requirement that engine nacelles be able to contain a turbine blade failure. Boeing has designed a retrofit for the nacelle and it's being rolled out.

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-737-...elle-redesign/

The engine failing isn't on Boeing. The nacelle not containing the damage is.
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Old 01-09-2024, 06:20 PM
 
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The FAA has a requirement that engine nacelles be able to contain a turbine blade failure. Boeing has designed a retrofit for the nacelle and it's being rolled out.

https://simpleflying.com/boeing-737-...elle-redesign/

The engine failing isn't on Boeing. The nacelle not containing the damage is.
Boeing will take the hit. Ultimately it's the manufacturers responsibility.

Been there, Done that.
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Old 01-09-2024, 06:37 PM
 
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Boeing will take the hit. Ultimately it's the manufacturers responsibility.

Been there, Done that.
That's what you get as an OEM. Source bad parts, take the hit.

Did Firestone take the hit for Ford's rollover incidents? Not really - and Firestone actually sells their products separately from Ford, so stood to reason they would have shouldered most of the bad press. But it was Explorer that took the blame in the public's eye.
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Old 01-09-2024, 06:46 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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When you're an end user of a product that, if it fails as part of your overall product, is going to kill a bunch of people, that's how it works: the ultimate responsibility falls on you.

This holds even if there aren't such implications - if you buy a Dell laptop and a video card manufactured by nVidia fails, are you going to nVidia for tech support? You're not. You're going to Dell. That's how systems integrations work.

So if a properly inflated tire on a bus fails and people die it's the bus maker's fault?
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Old 01-09-2024, 06:54 PM
 
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So if a properly inflated tire on a bus fails and people die it's the bus maker's fault?
The tire wasn't properly inflated in this case, so that's a bad analogy.
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Old 01-09-2024, 07:23 PM
 
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Looks like Boeing's CEO is settling this particular debate:

https://ksltv.com/613396/boeing-ceo-...rlines-flight/

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Boeing CEO David Calhoun acknowledged the company’s “mistake” in the wake of the Alaska Airlines incident at a staff-wide “safety meeting” Tuesday.
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