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And he's also incredibly wrong as far as the old money keeping people in the 'ham employed. Most of the employment comes from places such as UAB, the major banks, etc. etc. Those old-money outfits really don't count for much in the market.
Do you think the guy is pulling our leg? Or could he really be that clueless?
I think the best idea is to just ignore that guy. Unless you think its fun to play with him. whatever.
I'm still reeling over that old school racism existing in that form. I actually wouldn't believe you or think you're at least exaggerating, but I know you're far from one to rag on B'ham unnecessarily.
I think the best idea is to just ignore that guy. Unless you think its fun to play with him. whatever.
I'm still reeling over that old school racism existing in that form. I actually wouldn't believe you or think you're at least exaggerating, but I know you're far from one to rag on B'ham unnecessarily.
I'm not. And he's fun to bat around because he says such ridiculous things.
I'm still reeling over that old school racism existing in that form. I actually wouldn't believe you or think you're at least exaggerating, but I know you're far from one to rag on B'ham unnecessarily.
cpg is correct. No blacks ("democrats," "substandards") allowed. No Jews either ("You know what the last three words of the Jewish bible are? Get the money."). For that matter, no non-whites allowed. And no women can be members; they can only be members by way of being married to (or divorced by) a male member. I know, I was raised the son of a BCC member.
let it be known that I am not comfortable with those pejoratives nor with the two country clubs' policies, general town bigotry and provincialism. That said, these are their private clubs and they have every right to associate with whomever they desire. No one can stop them as long as they don't do what Shoal Creek (the blacks call it Shoal's Creek) did and try to have a racially exclusive club that hosts major PGA events.
I will also say this -- regrettably but realistically: I do believe Mountain Brook is the ultra-safe, beautifully pristine, and wonderfully pleasant and civilized place that it is precisely because of its refusal to modernize, urbanize, diversify, and "be progressive." That it is bereft of dynamic energy and mind-numbingly homogeneous is something one accepts, and then learns to embrace, because these are the qualities that preserve the town's stability, predictability, and ultimately its peaceful and idyllic quality of life. Living conditions -- not working conditions, not creative and inspiring conditions.
Mountain Brook is not cosmopolitan and not trying to be. It is boring and staid, and certainly the antithesis of real city living, but again, it wants nothing to do with modern city life. Rather, it is proud and content to be a bedroom community proximate to downtown. It is an actual, genuine community: it has community centers (i.e. country clubs), community shopping, community activities, and a community awareness. It sticks out like a sore thumb for being a community in the old-fashioned sense because there are so few remaining in America's waste land of alienated and sprawled-out clusterf*@#ed Podvilles and Babelburbs, claustrophobic iCities and Gumbonooks, banal Hipstervilles, and cultureless, devoid of community hells on earth, aka Babeltowns.
I know of no other place like Mountain Brook -- no place as utopian -- in this entire country. In fact, I have seen many a utopia tainted by diversity, dynamic energy, and the mixing of cultures together. Melting pots make for dynamically-charged and stimulating living, but they are often dangerous places to be. And, they are usually the types of places where you don't know your next door neighbor or corner store proprietor, and even worse, don't care that you don't.
No, he's correct. No blacks ("democrats," "substandards") allowed. No Jews either ("You know what the last three words of the Jewish bible are? Get the money."). For that matter, no non-whites allowed. no women can be members; they can only be members by way of being married to (or divorced by) a male member. I know, I was raised the son of a member of BCC.
I am not comfortable with those pejoratives nor with the country clubs' policies and general town bigotry and provincialism. That said, these are their private clubs and they should be allowed to associate with whomever they desire. No one can stop them as long as they don't do what Shoal Creek (the blacks call it Shoal's Creek) did and try to have a racially exclusive club that hosts major PGA events.
I will also say this -- regrettably but realistically: I do believe Mountain Brook is the ultra-safe, beautifully pristine, and wonderfully pleasant and civilized place that it is precisely because of its refusal to urbanize, diversify, and be "progressive." That it is bereft of dynamic energy and mind-numbingly homogeneous is something one accepts, and grows to embrace, because these are the qualities that preserve the town's stability, predictability, and its peaceful and idyllic quality of life. Living conditions -- not working conditions, not creative and inspiring conditions.
Mountain Brook is not cosmopolitan and not trying to be. It is boring and staid, and certainly the antithesis of real city living, but again, it wants nothing to do with urbanism and modern city life. Rather, it is proud and content to be a bedroom community proximate to downtown. It is an actual, genuine community: it has community centers (i.e. country clubs), community shopping, community activities, and a community awareness. It sticks out like a sore thumb for being an old-fashioned community in this sense because there are so few remaining in this waste land of isolated and alienated, sprawled-out Podvilles and iCities.
I know of no other place like Mountain Brook -- no place as utopian -- in this entire country. In fact, I have seen many a utopia tainted by diversity, dynamic energy, and the mixing of cultures together. Melting pots make for dynamically-charged and stimulating living, but they are often dangerous places to be. And, they are usually the types of places where you don't know your next door neighbor or corner store proprietor, and even worse, don't care that you don't.
And yet you describe the members of said club as the exemplars of the community. What's more, the only thing you can offer up is a tepid, "I am not comfortable with this." Well, bully for you. Then, you offer up some lame rationalizations on how Mountain Brook's lack of crime is the result of we white people sticking together, which basically reinforces the same bigotry that you're not comfortable with. Then again, the sizable Jewish community of Mountain Brook, lawyers, bankers, doctors, and entrepreneurs, are all excluded from membership, too. I mean, do you actually read what you write?
Here's the skinny on that. Put 18,000 high-income professional families in a community and you're going to have low crime, quiet streets and good schools, no matter what the ethnic composition might be. I've lived in enough places in this country to have seen that. Evidently, you've never wandered very far past the 35213 zip code to have discovered that.
Put 18,000 high-income professional families in a community and you're going to have low crime, quiet streets and good schools, no matter what the ethnic composition might be.
Not true. It's only in the all-white elite communities that you find quiet streets and low crime in this country these days. That's reality. I live in reality, not some futuristic version of Brownboro, U.S.A. where everyone has finally cross-pollinated and learned to understand and tolerate everyone, and become fused into one monolithic ethnicity and culture.
I've sojourned in New York on the Upper East Side and Greenwich, CT, spent some time in Beverly Hills, and lived for a couple of years in Burlingame, California (SF Bay Area). I also spent a year of college in La Jolla, California. These are the Mountain Brooks of their respective cities, and yet there's crime out the wazoo in all of them. Riff-raff roaming the streets, trash strewn everywhere, people speaking in weird tongues to themselves and rarely amongst each other. Rampant rudeness and abject meanness. Even in La Jolla, which was the most peaceful and utopian of them all. Gentile, at times. But in La Jolla we're talking assaults and muggings on a daily basis in and around town centers, surfer homicides with alarming frequency, and the routine dumping of bodies sometimes in tony residential areas. La Jolla, widely considered among the nicest neighborhoods in which to live in Southern California, is probably an entire grade less safer and less pleasant than even Homewood, AL.
You can't have it all, cpg. I'd rather be labeled a bigot and be safe and have pleasant encounters on the street than be popular among the politically correct and looking over my shoulder all the time.
That's what I did, but I have to admit, cpg's responses are intelligent and well said, and I've enjoyed reading them.
Birmingham's push for loft living and the entertainment district will hopeful reinvigorate the city's core making people want to move out of the 'burbs and back to the city. Then, with a significant tax base we can move forward with expensive projects that will get our economy and Jefferson County going again. With a strong core, what is or what isn't going on in the surrounding cities won't really matter and Mountain Brook can just build a wall and a moat around them for all I care.
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...but when I travel down I-65 those cities look more modern(progessive) than Birmingham.
I missed this the first time though. So you think this is the least modern looking large city in the state?
Not true. It's only in the all-white elite communities that you find quiet streets and low crime in this country these days. That's reality. I live in reality, not some futuristic version of Brownboro, U.S.A. where everyone has finally cross-pollinated and learned to understand and tolerate everyone, and become fused into one monolithic ethnicity and culture.
I've sojourned in New York on the Upper East Side and Greenwich, CT, spent some time in Beverly Hills, and lived for a couple of years in Burlingame, California (SF Bay Area). I also spent a year of college in La Jolla, California. These are the Mountain Brooks of their respective cities, and yet there's crime out the wazoo in all of them. Riff-raff roaming the streets, trash strewn everywhere, people speaking in weird tongues to themselves and rarely amongst each other. Rampant rudeness and abject meanness. Even in La Jolla, which was the most peaceful and utopian of them all. Gentile, at times. But in La Jolla we're talking assaults and muggings on a daily basis in and around town centers, surfer homicides with alarming frequency, and the routine dumping of bodies sometimes in tony residential areas. La Jolla, widely considered among the nicest neighborhoods in which to live in Southern California, is probably an entire grade less safer and less pleasant than even Homewood, AL.
You can't have it all, cpg. I'd rather be labeled a bigot and be safe and have pleasant encounters on the street than be popular among the politically correct and looking over my shoulder all the time.
Have you been to any suburb in Atlanta? Look at Stockbridge or any place in Gwinnet county and there are plenty of minorities and all minority burbs and very low crime.
What is Gorgia with out Atlanta ?? Some may argue that Gorgia would still have the image it has if Atlanta wasn`t in Gorgia.I say "Hell To THE NO" !!!!
With or without Atlanta...it's Georgia.
I'm not even addressing the other misspellings.
If you want to communicate effectively, spell correctly.
Not true. It's only in the all-white elite communities that you find quiet streets and low crime in this country these days. That's reality. I live in reality, not some futuristic version of Brownboro, U.S.A. where everyone has finally cross-pollinated and learned to understand and tolerate everyone, and become fused into one monolithic ethnicity and culture.
I've sojourned in New York on the Upper East Side and Greenwich, CT, spent some time in Beverly Hills, and lived for a couple of years in Burlingame, California (SF Bay Area). I also spent a year of college in La Jolla, California. These are the Mountain Brooks of their respective cities, and yet there's crime out the wazoo in all of them. Riff-raff roaming the streets, trash strewn everywhere, people speaking in weird tongues to themselves and rarely amongst each other. Rampant rudeness and abject meanness. Even in La Jolla, which was the most peaceful and utopian of them all. Gentile, at times. But in La Jolla we're talking assaults and muggings on a daily basis in and around town centers, surfer homicides with alarming frequency, and the routine dumping of bodies sometimes in tony residential areas. La Jolla, widely considered among the nicest neighborhoods in which to live in Southern California, is probably an entire grade less safer and less pleasant than even Homewood, AL.
You can't have it all, cpg. I'd rather be labeled a bigot and be safe and have pleasant encounters on the street than be popular among the politically correct and looking over my shoulder all the time.
And I'd rather be around people who are down to earth and real, and not afraid of interaction with each other, than to sit around and hear people like you spout off the latest 'I'm SO above you people' bulldirkey...
For your information, I'm sorry if you think all-white elite communities are the absolute pinnacle of civilization, but any way you slice it, that's BS...excuse me? So any community where people of different races and creeds actually (gasp!) live in harmony with and beside each other, is some bastion of political correctness, and you'd rather live in some monochromatic utopia?
Well big whoopee-bulloysters for you...go ahead and sit in your gated-Stepfordville, along with the other pious, simon-pure folk who NEVER do anything wrong, and think you are better than or above other people...
the rest of us will continue to live and learn, grow and satisfy our curiosity about each other and our cultures...
I, for one, don't really give a flying frig where you've sojourned and collected all this 'anywhere that's not all-white is wrong!' garbage...you say that you live in reality, maybe so---a reality of your fevered imagination...cross-pollination? Monolithic ethnicity and culture? Brownboro? Last time I looked, this was STILL the United States Of America, not the United States Of 'Ewwww...You're Not White, So You're Subhuman'...people are going to live where they want and do what they want, race and creed notwithstanding, and I don't recall anyone needing or asking for your permission to do so...
So have fun up there in the rarified air of 'Mt. Vanilla', and the rest of us mortals down here in 'Brownboro' will get along just fine without hearing you whine incessantly about 'dark people just f**k up everything', thank you very much...what a colossal steaming plate of horsepuckie
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