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Old 03-23-2024, 06:38 PM
 
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I hope you'll stick to your principles of no medical intervention needed if your life is in danger as well. Plenty of other people out there, no need to save one.
At what point should such measures be taken to save someone's life? It also doesn't sound like this guy was necessarily going to die if he didn't get a pig's kidney and you can survive with one kidney...
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Old 03-23-2024, 06:53 PM
 
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At what point should such measures be taken to save someone's life? It also doesn't sound like this guy was necessarily going to die if he didn't get a pig's kidney and you can survive with one kidney...
We don't know what his story is. I think it's unlikely that he would have volunteered for this surgery if he wasn't in real bad shape.
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:04 PM
 
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We don't know what his story is. I think it's unlikely that he would have volunteered for this surgery if he wasn't in real bad shape.
His story is that for years he experienced several dialysis failures.
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:07 PM
 
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This video is about transplant equity.

First successful pig-to-human kidney transplant raises ethical questions


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159GUJ62jiQ
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:15 PM
 
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So instead of people just being happy that the procedure 'worked' there are issues around who should get it. Other reasons why experiments like this aren't necessarily a good idea. someone will always be left behind.

Is the goal now to start killing more farm animals for their organs?
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:33 PM
 
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So instead of people just being happy that the procedure 'worked' there are issues around who should get it.
Well, if it turns out that the pig kidneys are inferior to human kidneys...it sounds like they're concerned that white people will get the human kidneys.
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Old 03-23-2024, 07:44 PM
 
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Good lord. Why does everything become a race issue. This billion dollar experiment was done on a black person...but people still want to make a race issue about black people not getting something
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Old 03-24-2024, 01:01 AM
 
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That's exactly my point. The cost and preparation for this procedure must have been enormous. And all for a 62 year old man who was already in poor health (diabetes & hypertension) in addition to the kidney failure. Maybe he's just being used as a guinea pig (pun intended), to see what happens.

Medical intervention is one thing, but mutating the natural order of things and playing Frankenstein with animals who have no say in the matter is entirely another. It would benefit humanity as a whole to let sickly people pass away once their time is up, rather than being kept propped up on a plethora of 'miracle drugs' and now mutated organs from other species. There's too damn many of us as it is.

Also from the article is this: "the nation’s first penile transplant, performed at MGH in 2016." Whoa! It doesn't elaborate on the details, but I'm sure there's a joke in there about the patient requesting a horse donor for the transplant. LOL
The cost and preparation will go down if/when these procedures become routine. If the counter argument is that there are still plenty of people left without one more soul, why should we ever save or help anyone? Human life is cheap - that's your argument, right?

And why do you assert that this many is "being used as a guinea pig, to see what happens"??? Is there any evidence that this is done without his consent? Can you not understand why someone would want to live?
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Old 03-24-2024, 02:31 AM
 
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i do think they wanted to practice something new and he was available. if someone is the "first" of any kind of new medical procedure then yes they are a guinea pig being practiced on.


literally in this case
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Old 03-24-2024, 02:46 AM
 
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We don't know what his story is. I think it's unlikely that he would have volunteered for this surgery if he wasn't in real bad shape.
he was in end-stage renal failure. the one kidney he had was itself a transplant from 2018 which was failing.


"All US transplants of animal organs into living humans [including this one] received FDA approval as a ‘compassionate use’, granted in narrow cases when a person’s life is at risk and there are no other treatments."

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