California homelessness?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

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This YouTube video did a pretty good job explaining the Homeless Industrial Complex and how it works.

… The short version: Similar to the CalWorks article, it mentions these agencies have no accountability. It goes further to say, they have no incentive to actually solve the problem. If they do, a lot of their jobs go away, …

Originally Posted by stablegenius

Great catch. How this isn't obvious to anyone with a half a brain is mind-boggling.

Really? Great catch huh?

Speaking of what should be obvious (to anyone, half or full brain) … how are these “agencies” in any position to *solve* homelessness? They don’t cause homelessness. They don’t originate funds to apply.

Just what, exactly, are they able to do to *solve* the cost of real estate and housing,

… and to keep people employed by various employers?

How would these agencies exactly *solve* the problems of addictions that have plagued humanity for thousands of years?

How would these “agencies” exactly go about healing the sick of cancer and schizophrenia, psychosis, depression, PTSD, and the myriad of other diseases that decimate victims and their finances and bankrupt them?

Fill the readers in on how “agencies” should go about stopping spousal abuse and stopping families from shunning and expelling their gay children.

Tell the readers how “agencies” can stop prisons from flooding the streets with ex-cons released without a dime in their pockets.

Maybe you have some ideas about how “agencies” can stop people from growing old without savings and investments, too?

How about plain old *stupidity* that causes some people to become homeless? What can agencies do to eliminate *stupidity*?

Speaking of what should be obvious, and all …

[UniversalTraveler]

For starters they should get some BLM land assigned to be a specific homeless camp area. Bring some medical care there and basic facilities (food, water, toilets, showers etc.) but keep them off our public streets in general. it's not for them to clutter up with their filth. If this is the lifestyle they've chosen, then they should be kept in a designated area OUT of the cities and OFF the streets. If there are circumstances where the homeless status doesn't involve mental health issues or drugs it would be good to have referrals available for them to find employment and once again be useful members of society.

[CA4Now]

REDWOOD CITY, Calif. — Gov. Gavin Newsom announced Tuesday that the state will make $3.3 billion in funding available by July to begin building inpatient and outpatient mental health treatment centers as part of a massive effort to transform California’s mental health system and address the homelessness crisis.

The money is the first tranche of a $6.4-billion bond authorized by voters when they narrowly approved Proposition 1 in March.

Newsom traveled to a new facility in San Mateo County to make the announcement — to underscore, his office said, how many more such facilities are needed and how his hard-fought mental health measure can transform care for Californians.

Newsom has framed Proposition 1 as an essential part of the state’s strategy to address the homelessness crisis. The plan includes a controversial push to compel people with severe mental illness and substance disorders into care. With the bond funding, it also makes billions of dollars available to build more beds and housing for treatment.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...al-health-beds

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Synchromesh

What's really happening, people, is that homeless are a *huge* cash-generating machine for the cities and California alike. I live in San Francisco and we spent nearly half of a *billion* dollars on them last year and the problem didn't go away at all. The way it works seems to be something like this - for every homeless person they spent money (let's say $50K) the state/city keep about $47K and maybe spend $3K on the actual person. Why do you think we have all those non-profits?

So with that in mind ask yourself, if the city had a huge amount of funds coming in that can feed both it and other places why would they give it up? So they do absolutely nothing to treat the root cause, just mildly alleviate the symptoms. This problem will not go away any time soon.

How many mental patient clinics can a city build with $500M? I figure quite a few. But they won't do it.

Yep, it's the Homeless Industrial Complex and is further explained in this video. And no, it's not a "right wing" channel:

Lots of people in the comments who work or know someone who works with the homeless said the video is really only the tip of the iceberg of the corruption.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNxQ8JWxWMA&t=66s

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

Whether having 1/10 homeless residents be 100% homeless prior to arriving is pretty significant and much higher than say Missouri. It also doesn’t account for drug addicts or runaways that show up in some questionable housing situation and are homeless within a few years either. The latter group are also transplants but aren’t included by the methodology used by the San Jose Mercury News.

As I said LA or SF are much higher than other parts of the state too. Read my post.

Exactly.

If you move to California and are housed for 6 months or a year and then become homeless, they probably count you as a local, even though you're really not by most people's standards.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Arent most people who live in California in home actually from out of state?

No, not most. But the % from out of state is almost certainly higher than the 10% claimed by homeless advocates.

[frankrj]

Wow. the thread started with Gov. Brown and the homeless crisis and still ol' slick salesman Newsome hasn't improved it all. It's far worse. City parks, sidewalks, benches in malls/promenades, underpasses and beaches are full of homeless people.
Yet people are happy about their avg. home price or happily pay higher rent for deteriorating conditions.

You do know what some people do who need to survive w/o housing or a job? They'll steal or commit violent crimes.
Some live like kings while others live as hobos and peasants. What a society we have.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by frankrj

Wow. the thread started with Gov. Brown and the homeless crisis and still ol' slick salesman Newsome hasn't improved it all. It's far worse. City parks, sidewalks, benches in malls/promenades, underpasses and beaches are full of homeless people.
Yet people are happy about their avg. home price or happily pay higher rent for deteriorating conditions.

You do know what some people do who need to survive w/o housing or a job? They'll steal or commit violent crimes.
Some live like kings while others live as hobos and peasants. What a society we have.

I’m curious what you think Gavin Newsom could do to “improve the homeless crisis.”

Stop people from experiencing catastrophic accidents annd illnesses?
End spousal abuse?
Cure individuals’ laziness and stupidities?
Eliminate substance abuse (which has been part of human behavior since the dawn of civilizations)?

How about control free-market real estate speculation and pricing?
End private investment developing old mobile home parks and SRO hotels into upscale housing?

Maybe increase wages for low-paid workers in the private sectors?


You do know that ALL kinds of people, including massive numbers of housed and employed steal or commit violent crimes, right? Everyday.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Exactly.

If you move to California and are housed for 6 months or a year and then become homeless, they probably count you as a local, even though you're really not by most people's standards.

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

No, not most. But the % from out of state is almost certainly higher than the 10% claimed by homeless advocates.

Actually no, tyger … the % from out of state is not “almost certainly higher than the 10% [proven accurate] by [legitimate] homeless [research]”. Which has been demonstrated countless times in these threads for years, using credible links to credible studies … including in multiple exchanges with you specifically.

If you can credibly rebut, let’s read what you come up with.

[frankrj]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I’m curious what you think Gavin Newsom could do to “improve the homeless crisis.”

Stop people from experiencing catastrophic accidents annd illnesses?
End spousal abuse?
Cure individuals’ laziness and stupidities?
Eliminate substance abuse (which has been part of human behavior since the dawn of civilizations)?

How about control free-market real estate speculation and pricing?
End private investment developing old mobile home parks and SRO hotels into upscale housing?

Maybe increase wages for low-paid workers in the private sectors?


You do know that ALL kinds of people, including massive numbers of housed and employed steal or commit violent crimes, right? Everyday.

Asking a lot of defensive questions one already knows cannot be answered and victimizing Newsome. You're just trying to bait me.

The facts are Newsome has done a bad job with homelessness. He encourages it with subsidies, free money for housing, and makes laws/policies so you cannot remove them in public and city owned zones. He's been wrong a lot.

What slick Gavin is extremely good at is selling people even when he knows he's wrong or lying. Yes, he is convincing and likeable but has very restrictive and flawed policies. CA is $60B+ in debt? He has failed miserably yet the infatuation lingers.

Can you provide facts for the last 20-30 years that show lower income/employment densely populated areas have the same or less crime than high employment residential areas? It will help me and others think twice (but not 3 times) about crime reports in the U.S. and across the world.

Of course wealthy neighborhoods have rapes, spousal and drug abuse and it may go unreported.
But should we believe that an enclave of 300 homes and 800 residents has more crimes occurring than an adjacent neighborhood of 45 apartment buildings with 2-to-4 floors and 2,500 younger residents?

Is Newsome's neighborhood going to have the same amount of crime as a densely populated neighborhood of apartments 3-5 miles away? That's what you are suggesting. Let's not be naive about where most crimes happen.

Am I afraid of these areas? Nope. I have lived in them during my college days and have no issue visiting anyone there today.

What backs this claim up? My own & friend's experiences. Your good neighbor, State Farm and other insurance companies, local police reports "from residents" where theft and violent crimes occur.