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Old 10-15-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It sure was! What gives anyone the idea that assigning a "lower class" designation to a group of people is appropriate based on their comfortable form of communication. When did you assume you were all in a higher class to begin with?

I pointed out in as succinct a way as possible that for anyone to assume they have a lock on a particular language to the extent that if people do not speak it as the majority do but choose to mingle it with another language; could arguably be, and often is, the case made by the French for the form of language spoken by Canadiens.

Whaaasup? Didn't you like it being pointed out? Should I have used a more delicate phraseology?
On "mingling", there aren't really any more English words in the speech of your average Québécois than in the speech of your average Frenchman. It's just that the English words used on either side of the Atlantic aren't necessarily the same.

France: weekend, shopping, baskets (for sneakers)
Quebec: fin de semaine, magasinage, espadrilles

Different linguistic evolutions because of different realities. Just like UK English vs. US English. No passing of judgement required. People are what they are.
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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On "mingling", there aren't really any more English words in the speech of your average Québécois than in the speech of your average Frenchman. It's just that the English words used on either side of the Atlantic aren't necessarily the same.

France: weekend, shopping, baskets (for sneakers)
Quebec: fin de semaine, magasinage, espadrilles

Different linguistic evolutions because of different realities. Just like UK English vs. US English. No passing of judgement required. People are what they are.
We'll I'll be a sumb****, we agree!

That wasn't the point I was making, however.

AJ: your characterization that got my dander up was your addition, as though it were necessary and pertinent, was that Francophones would, as a norm, presume to judge those using a form of mangled French or mingling of French and English as "lower class".

I responded with a bit more ire than intended to suggest that no one is in a position to judge the class of a person by the "form" of conversation they're having with others. To suggest otherwise is to assign a status to a language that might indeed itself be looked down upon by the "real" (sic) French as a bastardization of their language. Which in my humble opinion they would also not be entitled to do.

Do you see where I was attempting to go?

I am not hateful by the way; just suffer from a tolerance deficit now.
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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We'll I'll be a sumb****, we agree!

That wasn't the point I was making, however.

AJ: your characterization that got my dander up was your addition, as though it were necessary and pertinent, was that Francophones would, as a norm, presume to judge those using a form of mangled French or mingling of French and English as "lower class".

I responded with a bit more ire than intended to suggest that no one is in a position to judge the class of a person by the "form" of conversation they're having with others. To suggest otherwise is to assign a status to a language that might indeed itself be looked down upon by the "real" (sic) French as a bastardization of their language. Which in my humble opinion they would also not be entitled to do.

Do you see where I was attempting to go?

I am not hateful by the way; just suffer from a tolerance deficit now.
OK, gotcha. My theory was actually that this was all about some hot girl named Marie-Josée that you knew when you were younger!

Thanks for the explanation!
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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Marie-Josee; I wish! Almost forgot about her but you're right she was tres chaud!
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Isn't "Chiac" a form of "Franglais"?
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Isn't "Chiac" a form of "Franglais"?
Pretty much. For some reason it gets its own name. Franglais is used more in Quebec and the provinces west of it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Marie-Josee; I wish! Almost forgot about her but you're right she was tres chaud!
Are you referring to "Cozy" Coze?
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