Do Detroit's suburbs suffer from Detroit's reputation? (Livonia, Farmington Hills: houses, construction)

[DTWflyer]

Density... population in the City of Detroit is obviously way down since 1970. Most of the inner ring suburbs, even ones that are hot right now like Royal Oak are down in population from the peak baby boomer years.

[MWnative]

I’m going to go against the grain and say that the declining inner ring suburbs will be more of a threat to instability in the Detroit metro area than Detroit itself.

In the last 10-20 years, in cities throughout the US, we are seeing more young well educated professionals of all races want to move back to cities. By contrast, you see a lot of poor and working class people of color fleeing cities to inner ring suburbs and beyond for newer homes and better school districts. This became more pronounce after the recession because it upended a lot of middle to upper middle class homes, and provided a significant opening to people who would otherwise never been able to afford to live in the suburbs an opportunity to buy foreclosed and significantly price reduced property.

This has led to a sharp decline in some suburbs who were more middle to upper middle class becoming known as areas that are no longer good to invest in. In my opinion, Harper Woods and Eastpointe are more of a threat to Grosse Pointe’s property values than the gentrifying areas of East English Village and Jefferson-Chalmers. Southfield and Oak Park are more of a threat to future property values in southern Oakland County than Sherwood Forest.

If trends continue, Detroit will become much like the Grosse Pointes in 50 years time. That being upper middle class and gentrified areas like Midtown, New Center, Boston-Edison, University District, Palmer Woods, Bagley, Sherwood Forest, Indian Village, West Village, Morningside, Jefferson-Chalmers, and East English Village, will be upper middle class islands surrounded by poor and higher crime neighborhoods. But those neighborhoods seem like safe bets for the city to invest in and bring businesses to. The rest of Detroit will take a much longer time to tackle.

[TheProf]

As recently as 10 years ago, I would have answered: yes.... But no more. Detroit's on a roll, esp downtown. From my brief visit last summer, hanging out in Royal Oak, for example, isn't the thing so much these days, as it is hanging in downtown/Midtown Detroit.

There's so much newly realized potential in the City. While a lot of folks love Woodward in Midtown, which is certainly nice, Cass Ave and the Cass corridor get my prize for hipness... I like the narrowness of the street and the greater feeling of walkablity on Cass. Old, oft abandoned, apt buildings are being rehabbed like crazy and infill new starts are springing up everywhere.

[keraT]

Not sure how accurate this is, but here is list of Detroits worst to best suburbs by https://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are...troit-suburbs/


Interesting how the worst are inner ring suburbs and best are outer ring suburbs except the Points


Detailed List Of The Worst Detroit Suburbs

1. River Rouge
2. Pontiac
3. Highland Park
4. Ecorse
5. Melvindale
6. Hamtramck
7. Inkster
8. Romulus
9. Wayne
10. Lincoln Park
11. Hazel Park
12. Taylor
13. New Haven
14. Mount Clemens
15. Warren
16. Eastpointe
17. Ypsilanti
18. Roseville
19. Dearborn
20. Harper Woods
21. Center Line
22. Romeo
23. Dearborn Heights
24. Madison Heights
25. Westland
26. Utica
27. Carleton
28. Keego Harbor
29. Southfield
30. Auburn Hills
31. Flat Rock
32. Oak Park
33. Walled Lake
34. Gibraltar
35. Wyandotte
36. Belleville
37. Riverview
38. Sterling Heights
39. Southgate
40. Fraser
41. Woodhaven
42. St. Clair Shores
43. Rockwood
44. Ferndale
45. Wixom
46. Allen Park
47. Trenton
48. Farmington Hills
49. New Baltimore
50. Livonia
51. South Lyon
52. Milford
53. Clawson
54. Troy
55. Wolverine Lake
56. Novi
57. Rochester
58. Farmington
59. Rochester Hills
60. Royal Oak
61. Franklin
62. Lake Orion
63. Plymouth
64. Northville
65. Bloomfield Hills
66. Beverly Hills
67. Grosse Pointe Woods
68. Berkley
69. Grosse Pointe Farms
70. Grosse Pointe
71. Birmingham
72. Pleasant Ridge
73. Village Of Grosse Pointe Shores
74. Grosse Pointe Park
75. Huntington Woods

[usroute10]

Originally Posted by keraT

Not sure how accurate this is, but here is list of Detroits worst to best suburbs by https://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are...troit-suburbs/


Interesting how the worst are inner ring suburbs and best are outer ring suburbs except the Points


Detailed List Of The Worst Detroit Suburbs

1. River Rouge
2. Pontiac
3. Highland Park
4. Ecorse
5. Melvindale
6. Hamtramck
7. Inkster
8. Romulus
9. Wayne
10. Lincoln Park
11. Hazel Park
12. Taylor
13. New Haven
14. Mount Clemens
15. Warren
16. Eastpointe
17. Ypsilanti
18. Roseville
19. Dearborn
20. Harper Woods
21. Center Line
22. Romeo
23. Dearborn Heights
24. Madison Heights
25. Westland
26. Utica
27. Carleton
28. Keego Harbor
29. Southfield
30. Auburn Hills
31. Flat Rock
32. Oak Park
33. Walled Lake
34. Gibraltar
35. Wyandotte
36. Belleville
37. Riverview
38. Sterling Heights
39. Southgate
40. Fraser
41. Woodhaven
42. St. Clair Shores
43. Rockwood
44. Ferndale
45. Wixom
46. Allen Park
47. Trenton
48. Farmington Hills
49. New Baltimore
50. Livonia
51. South Lyon
52. Milford
53. Clawson
54. Troy
55. Wolverine Lake
56. Novi
57. Rochester
58. Farmington
59. Rochester Hills
60. Royal Oak
61. Franklin
62. Lake Orion
63. Plymouth
64. Northville
65. Bloomfield Hills
66. Beverly Hills
67. Grosse Pointe Woods
68. Berkley
69. Grosse Pointe Farms
70. Grosse Pointe
71. Birmingham
72. Pleasant Ridge
73. Village Of Grosse Pointe Shores
74. Grosse Pointe Park
75. Huntington Woods

1. Dearborn, Utica, and Romeo seem like of low

2. Huntington Woods, Berkley, and Royal Oak are inner ring suburbs

3. This list doesn't include TOWNSHIPS - Redford, Oakland, Royal Oak, Harrison, West Bloomfield, Ortonville, Brandon, Shelby as well as Lathrup Village

[Coldjensens]

Originally Posted by keraT

Not sure how accurate this is, but here is list of Detroits worst to best suburbs by https://www.roadsnacks.net/these-are...troit-suburbs/


Interesting how the worst are inner ring suburbs and best are outer ring suburbs except the Points


Detailed List Of The Worst Detroit Suburbs

1. River Rouge
2. Pontiac
3. Highland Park
4. Ecorse
5. Melvindale
6. Hamtramck
7. Inkster
8. Romulus
9. Wayne
10. Lincoln Park
11. Hazel Park
12. Taylor
13. New Haven
14. Mount Clemens
15. Warren
16. Eastpointe
17. Ypsilanti
18. Roseville
19. Dearborn
20. Harper Woods
21. Center Line
22. Romeo
23. Dearborn Heights
24. Madison Heights
25. Westland
26. Utica
27. Carleton
28. Keego Harbor
29. Southfield
30. Auburn Hills
31. Flat Rock
32. Oak Park
33. Walled Lake
34. Gibraltar
35. Wyandotte
36. Belleville
37. Riverview
38. Sterling Heights
39. Southgate
40. Fraser
41. Woodhaven
42. St. Clair Shores
43. Rockwood
44. Ferndale
45. Wixom
46. Allen Park
47. Trenton
48. Farmington Hills
49. New Baltimore
50. Livonia
51. South Lyon
52. Milford
53. Clawson
54. Troy
55. Wolverine Lake
56. Novi
57. Rochester
58. Farmington
59. Rochester Hills
60. Royal Oak
61. Franklin
62. Lake Orion
63. Plymouth
64. Northville
65. Bloomfield Hills
66. Beverly Hills
67. Grosse Pointe Woods
68. Berkley
69. Grosse Pointe Farms
70. Grosse Pointe
71. Birmingham
72. Pleasant Ridge
73. Village Of Grosse Pointe Shores
74. Grosse Pointe Park
75. Huntington Woods

Best and worst for what? Maybe it is ranking places to buy snacks on road trips.

Otherwise I cannot figure any criteria that would make this ranking make sense.

[DTWflyer]

This is terrible clickbait and not even worth discussion.

That said not all inner ring suburbs are created equal. The inner ring suburbs in Oakland are generally thriving. The inner ring suburbs of Macomb and Wayne are a mixed bag for a variety of reasons.

[keraT]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Best and worst for what? Maybe it is ranking places to buy snacks on road trips.

Otherwise I cannot figure any criteria that would make this ranking make sense.

From what I read in the article, think they went with median income, unemployment rate in the area..etc

[BPtransplant]

Originally Posted by Nattering Heights

The missing elements are walkable neighborhoods and public transit. Driving is much less affordable now than when the suburbs did most of the sprawling, and spending hours every day in a car is unpleasant before any expenses. Crashing is always a risk of driving, but here there are extra risks of slippery roads and potholes. An unaffordable car repair could make a person unemployed or buried in debt. Changing the nickname from Motor City would be a start towards the area's future.

This. The day that our political "leaders" realize that having/creating walkable neighborhoods and investing in mass transit is important, is the day Detroit and Michigan in general will turn around. Simple as that. You give access to people, people will come and work. You don't, the region will continue to stagnate. Mind boggling that we don't get this very simple concept. Invest now, reap the rewards some years down the line.

[Wolverine607]

Originally Posted by DTWflyer

Density... population in the City of Detroit is obviously way down since 1970. Most of the inner ring suburbs, even ones that are hot right now like Royal Oak are down in population from the peak baby boomer years.

Interesting that population is down in Royal Oak, yet I hear all of how people want to be there and home prices are record highs there. I mean what is driving these record high home prices if population is way down there compared to peak baby boomer years?