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Old 02-21-2022, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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No. But that wouldn't help unless someone in that branch had also done it, would it?
You will never know if you do not do it.
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Old 02-21-2022, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Easy. Who were John Porter and Elinor Durier of Carrolton Maryland, parents of John II, Henry, and Moses Porter?

No records of this man or woman exist. We have doubts the names were passed down correctly (Y-DNA confirms male-line descendants of all three of the sons listed above share the same Y-haploid group), and researchers have been looking for any documentation of their life for about 100 years. I am only the latest to be defeated by the chase.

(Note, there are ALOT of John Porters in early colonial history, several in Maryland alone, but none are "our guy" for many reasons, including religion, the Y-testing, and paper trials that confirm these men to be the sons or fathers of other families.)
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Old 02-22-2022, 05:27 AM
 
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I'm an American Descendent of Slavery with a Scottish last name. My DNA results report 20% Scottish, the only European admixture (all else is African). Family story is that a great-great-grandfather Kirk actually married a free black woman and legally gave her his name, but the farthest back I've found in record was a great-grandfather listed in the census as "mulatto." That seems to verify the old family story.

I'd like to find a link to the white man named "Kirk" and any descendants on the white side of the tree.
Have you checked registries that show slave owners? There could be a surname of Kirk. I would prefer the softer side of a free black woman myself, sadly we know that the other option can be true as well.
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Old 02-22-2022, 07:37 AM
 
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Have you done Y DNA?
Is Y-dna testing the same as 23andMe paternal haplogroup?
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Old 02-22-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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I'm an American Descendent of Slavery with a Scottish last name. My DNA results report 20% Scottish, the only European admixture (all else is African). Family story is that a great-great-grandfather Kirk actually married a free black woman and legally gave her his name, but the farthest back I've found in record was a great-grandfather listed in the census as "mulatto." That seems to verify the old family story.

I'd like to find a link to the white man named "Kirk" and any descendants on the white side of the tree.

I've actually got the opposite problem. I'm 90% European with like 3% of Sub-Saharan African, Pacific Islander and Native American.


My mother was adopted, but tracking her family back(I've found her parents through DNA testing), there's a dead end at her maternal grandfather who did the old "Going out for a pack of smokes" trick. We know it came from that side because I had others from her mother and fathers side tested, and it certainly comes from her mothers side.

I suspect her grandfathers' parents or grandparents.. Somewhere in that range, one of them was mixed race.
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Old 02-22-2022, 08:46 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Is Y-dna testing the same as 23andMe paternal haplogroup?
No, a proper Y test will include Y matches (people who match you on the Y chromosome, meaning they match you much more closely than simply sharing a haplogroup).
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Old 02-22-2022, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Is Y-dna testing the same as 23andMe paternal haplogroup?
No. It tests the Y chromosome, the one that every male gets from his father, who got it from his father, who got it from his father ... Haplogroups are related but tell more about distant ancestry.

Men who share a Y chromosome share a male ancestor somewhere back in time.

https://support.ancestry.com/s/artic...0the%20results.

Haplogoups:

https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/dna-haplogroup
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Old 02-22-2022, 11:19 AM
 
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Who offers y-dna testing and matching? I have paternal haplogroup results from 23andMe.

The biggest mystery in my family tree for me right now is, who was the true father of my paternal grandfather? He was adopted as an infant to a family, but there are hints that maybe someone in the adoptive(?) family was the true father.
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Old 02-22-2022, 11:33 AM
 
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Who offers y-dna testing and matching? I have paternal haplogroup results from 23andMe.

The biggest mystery in my family tree for me right now is, who was the true father of my paternal grandfather? He was adopted as an infant to a family, but there are hints that maybe someone in the adoptive(?) family was the true father.
That's similar to the mystery that my wife hopes to determine. Her father was a very fair-skinned black man who never knew his parents. He had been raised by a white family, not quite like a son...more like a pet. But they fed him and gave him a place to live.

He told the story that when he was sixteen, an acquaintance of that man made note that my FIL was the spirit-and-image of the man. The very next day, the man took him to the Army recruiter and signed him up...which was the last time he saw them.

The family suspicion is that the man actually was my FIL's biological father. That's something my wife would like to find out for sure.
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Old 02-22-2022, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Who offers y-dna testing and matching? I have paternal haplogroup results from 23andMe.

The biggest mystery in my family tree for me right now is, who was the true father of my paternal grandfather? He was adopted as an infant to a family, but there are hints that maybe someone in the adoptive(?) family was the true father.
FTDNA:

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

There may be sales that reduce the cost.
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