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Old 06-22-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Old 06-22-2016, 09:42 AM
 
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The Bosnian population in St. Louis doesn't affect the overall culture of the city in my opinion. Their influence is relegated to very few zip codes and even within those zip codes is a large percentage of non-European minority populations.

I don't understand your argument about being settled by immigrants. Wasn't everything settled by immigrants?
You're certainly entitled to your opinions and perceptions, but to say that Bosnian culture hasn't had a pervasive influence on St. Louis-- the largest Bosnian community outside of Bosnia-- is uninformed. The largest Bosnian-American newspaper (SabaH) relocated its headquarters from NYC to STL several years ago just to be closer to the epicenter of the culture. I do not feel as though St. Louis has any more or any less immigrant-influenced perception than any other Rustbelt city save for Detroit (Middle Eastern pop is huge). And I also reject the "southern" and "country" influence you seem to attribute to STL. It's a hard thing to quantify, but if voting patterns are any indicator, the St. Louis metro is at least as liberal and Democratic as other Rustbelt cities, and the City of St. Louis in particular is one of the bluest voting jurisdictions in the United States. And I would agree that Cincinnati has a more palpable southern influence, especially since it borders Kentucky vs. Illinois. And Cincinnati is one of the most conservative major metro areas north of the Mason-Dixon.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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The Bosnian population in St. Louis doesn't affect the overall culture of the city in my opinion. Their influence is relegated to very few zip codes and even within those zip codes is a large percentage of non-European minority populations.

I don't understand your argument about being settled by immigrants. Wasn't everything settled by immigrants?
No. Many Southern cities didn't receive many immigrants.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:48 AM
 
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No. Many Southern cities didn't receive many immigrants.
He means in the grand scheme of things. Everybody that wasn't Native American was an immigrant--some voluntary, some involuntary.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:49 AM
 
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You're certainly entitled to your opinions and perceptions, but to say that Bosnian culture hasn't had a pervasive influence on St. Louis-- the largest Bosnian community outside of Bosnia-- is uninformed. The largest Bosnian-American newspaper (SabaH) relocated its headquarters from NYC to STL several years ago just to be closer to the epicenter of the culture. I do not feel as though St. Louis has any more or any less immigrant-influenced perception than any other Rustbelt city save for Detroit (Middle Eastern pop is huge). And I also reject the "southern" and "country" influence you seem to attribute to STL. It's a hard thing to quantify, but if voting patterns are any indicator, the St. Louis metro is at least as liberal and Democratic as other Rustbelt cities, and the City of St. Louis in particular is one of the bluest voting jurisdictions in the United States. And I would agree that Cincinnati has a more palpable southern influence, especially since it borders Kentucky vs. Illinois. And Cincinnati is one of the most conservative major metro areas north of the Mason-Dixon.
Yeah just my opinion having actually lived in many of these areas of discussion. There are plenty of Bosnian people but the culture isn't prevalent in the fabric of St. Louis. St. Louis has a southern and country influence with a tendency toward a lower class way of life with an influx of middle class white people from the suburbs on the weekends. I think that last part is a commonality between the cities in this discussion.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Cincinnati is closest to St. Louis in almost every aspect / past and present

Baltimore's is similar in many ways, but its maritime history and culture remove it from being a true contender
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Arch City
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Yeah just my opinion having actually lived in many of these areas of discussion. There are plenty of Bosnian people but the culture isn't prevalent in the fabric of St. Louis. St. Louis has a southern and country influence with a tendency toward a lower class way of life with an influx of middle class white people from the suburbs on the weekends. I think that last part is a commonality between the cities in this discussion.
You clearly haven't lived in St. Louis very long. I've been here almost 30 years. There is no Southern or country influence to speak of here. I don't know what it is you're seeing but you've never been to the South if you think St. Louis has significant Southern influence, which it does not.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:46 AM
 
Location: MO
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Yeah just my opinion having actually lived in many of these areas of discussion. There are plenty of Bosnian people but the culture isn't prevalent in the fabric of St. Louis. St. Louis has a southern and country influence with a tendency toward a lower class way of life with an influx of middle class white people from the suburbs on the weekends. I think that last part is a commonality between the cities in this discussion.
There is nothing southern about St. Louis. I grew up about 120 miles south of there and the difference between us and them is night and day. I keep seeing people making this claim but they never have any evidence to back it up. Not sure what you mean by "country" but St. Louis is a city regardless.
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Old 06-22-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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You clearly haven't lived in St. Louis very long. I've been here almost 30 years. There is no Southern or country influence to speak of here. I don't know what it is you're seeing but you've never been to the South if you think St. Louis has significant Southern influence, which it does not.
St. Louis *does* have a lot of Evangelical Protestants.

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Old 06-22-2016, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I hard it hard to believe there is no Southern influence in St. Louis. Most (reasonable) posters can agree that Baltimore has some Southern influence. How is it that Baltimore has some Southern influence while St. Louis has absolutely none?
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