On the American "Propensity for Violence" (middle east, Mexicans, illegal)

[irspow]

Violence and aggression is institutionalized into every fiber of American "society". The government is designed specifically to justify and carry out violence and aggression, initiations of force, towards the individual.

The "majority", "collective", "representatives", lobbyists, or any special interest group uses government or "law" to initiate force upon others. "Government" has a fictional right to be a violent aggressor upon the individual. And the "people" use this aggression towards their neighbors.

The "government" is nothing more than an entity used by thugs to impose their will upon others through violence and aggression rather than having to from peaceful voluntary agreements with one another. When we participate, condone, or use government to impose our will upon our neighbors we are just as evil and immoral as any common street thug.

So as a "society" we are really as barbaric and immoral as any that has every exited. The "majority", "collective", lobbyists, representatives, and voters are all thugs and tyrants. What the "good" people in this country delude themselves into believing is that if they have a thug government commit their crimes against their neighbor on their behalf that they are somehow innocent of these crimes. In reality though, they are just thugs towards their neighbors, using a hired thug to do their evil for them.

Since our entire system is based upon aggression and violence perpetrated by government upon our neighbors, it should be no surprise that there is so much violence and aggression throughout our "society". Violence and aggression is the foundation of everything that we are as a "nation".

When, I should say if, we ever learn to obey the non-aggression principle, we will for the first time in history experience true human freedom and an actual form of society. One where peaceful voluntary cooperation among humans dominates the culture. As long as government has a fictional "right" to initiate force upon the individual, the people will always be nothing more than a collection of evil thugs and warring factions looking to use the violence and aggression of government against each other.

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

Have you ever seen an Indian (Asian) soap opera? The fictional death rate there makes American media seem tame by comparison. "We" don't have to do anything -- nor should we; your emphasis on some supposed "common good" merely identifies you as one more wannabee fig-leaf hanger who is sure they know what's best for all of us.

My point in the original post was that the spirit of rebellion and non-conformity is central to the American character; It occasionally boils over with tragic results. Europeans, on the other hand (and especially those confined to a low socio-economic status), tend to let their resentments stew and simmer, until one ideologue with an easy answer turns up. Then the bodies pile up a lot faster, and with a lot more innocent people caught up in a struggle they neither started, nor care that much about.

My goodness. Your panties are certainly in a bunch today.


Well, those who refuse to be part of the solution are part of the problem. You ***** but exempt yourself. That's a part of the problem.

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by BLAZER PROPHET

My goodness. Your panties are certainly in a bunch today.


Well, those who refuse to be part of the solution are part of the problem. You ***** but exempt yourself. That's a part of the problem.

I'm not the one whose undergarments are in need of adjustment; if you dispute my reasoning (and the history that supports it) you're free to come up with your own version of the facts. But don't try to impose your "solution" on the substantial part of the American population who dissent from your Holy Writ.

[Lodestar]

We have lofty ideals that seem to ignore predictable human nature. That's not a bad thing - trying to rise above our animalistic state. But it is vital that our leaders understand the study of human behavior and they frequently seem to deny scientific fact in their policies.


For instance: being "nicer" to people who have stated that they want your death is not a biologically sound self-preservation tactic. Or letting sociopaths out of prison because they are "rehabilitated."


We try, but we're ignorant of human behavior in our attempts to be more fair and kind. It's a choice. And a noble one, I suppose. But no one should be shocked by violence. It's part of the human condition.


Deprive people of adequate food and water for a week or two and watch how fast civilized Americans turn into savages. The veneer of civilization is only as strong as adequate living conditions can make it.


If America is so violent and dangerous why is everyone fleeing their homeland and coming here?

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

I'm not the one whose undergarments are in need of adjustment; if you dispute my reasoning (and the history that supports it) you're free to come up with your own version of the facts. But don't try to impose your "solution" on me.

Fixed it for you. Pal, don't ever presume you speak for the "vast majority" on any subject.


And by the way, I don't necessarily disagree with your opinion as to how the world begat violence. It's an OK thought and works for your premises.

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Which other first world western nations were you thinking of?

Most of Western Europe has higher crime rates than the U.S. The U.S. is only an outlier in terms of gun-related crime (ie homicide rates).

So the premise is wrong. You're much more likely to be a crime victim in London or Rome or Madrid than in an American city. But the U.S. has the gun killings, and those places don't. Obviously guns are the issue, not some "American violence exceptionalism". If the U.S. had a propensity for crime then there would be higher crime rates overall.

Not sure what you're talking about re. Jamaica and the like, which are obviously poor third world countries.

[Larry Caldwell]

The American Government has been at war with its civilian population for 50 years. Nixon declared the War On Drugs as a way of attacking the Black Power movement without directly declaring that it was a war on blacks. It should come as no surprise that there are casualties on both sides. It's national policy.

[Yakscsd]

Forget the violence, who is a self-proclaimed Illuminati member? That goes against the rules of the Illuminati as not being able to publicly identify yourself as a member.

As for the violence, I'd post a thoughtful and articulate opinion, but the moderators have made it clear that that isn't wanted. That instead they want to censor dissenting opinions. hey wait...maybe the mods are the Illuminati? Hmmm....

[WiseManOnceSaid]

Let's look at the most murderous countries in the world: http://list25.com/25-countries-with-...-in-the-world/

Honduras 90.4 Murders Per Capita
Venezuela
Belize
El Salvador
Guatemala
Jamaica
Lesotho
Swaziland
Saint Kitts and Nevis
South Africa
Colombia
The Bahamas (yes the Bahamas)
Trinidad and Tobago
The Dem. Rep. of Congo
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Brasil
Rwanda
Dominican Republic
Saint Lucia
Mexico
Dominica
Nigeria
Equitorial Guinea
Botswana
Panama 17.2 Murders Per Capita

These are the top 25 murder destinations in the world. Now let's take a look at our most violent cities to compare per capita rates: Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

East St. Louis 1.01 Murder Per Capita
Chester, PA 42 .88
St. Louis MO .50
Gary, IN .47

Those are the highest per capita murder cities in the USA. Nowhere close to any of the nations listed above. America and most of "Western" society remains very safe when you compare us to other parts of the world.

[Nonesuch]

"America" is not homogeneous any more than "Europe" is, so it's disingenuous at best to talk about American violence.

For example, Northern New England (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire) have lower violent crime and homicide rates than Canada and many other "first world" nations.

Originally Posted by NOLA101

The difference in the U.S. is the ready availability of guns, esp. high powered weaponry. No other country has such insane gun laws, hence we have far more homicides.

Care to explain away Northern New England? ME/VT/NH have almost no gun laws, little restriction on concealed carry, and yet low crime rates.

New Hampshire, for example, has repealed almost all weapons laws, has the highest per-capita ownership of legal machine guns in the country, and yet has homicide rate that puts the state on par with most European "states".