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Old 09-15-2008, 11:50 AM
 
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LOL, maybe we should add the word "debate" to the list. Americans have recently developed the idea that debates are supposed to bring people together. I've heard this a few times lately--when did we start thinking this way?
Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:54 PM
 
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A lot of people mistake mores for morals. There is a distinct and important difference between the two.
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1 : the fixed morally binding customs of a particular group
2 : moral attitudes
3 : habits , manners
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1 a: the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b: a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story
2plural a: moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct b: ethics
3: morale

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the code of good conduct for an individual or group<at issue were the doctorʼs professional ethics, not her private morals>


the code of good conduct for an individual or group<the ethics of scouting require scouts to be loyal, clean, and reverent>


personal conduct or behavior as evaluated by an accepted standard of appropriateness for a social or professional setting<the mores of academic life as opposed to those of the business world>
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I would be interested in your expanding on the differences between morals and mores, as it seems less distinct to me than it is to you.

Thanks!
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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I would be interested in your expanding on the differences between morals and mores, as it seems less distinct to me than it is to you.

Thanks!
Morals tend (and notice I say tend) to have religious connotations attached to them, whereas mores are a set of culturally and/or societally acceptable behaviors that aren't necessarily rooted in religious beliefs.The two sets can intersect, but neither one includes all parts of the other.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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Morals tend (and notice I say tend) to have religious connotations attached to them, whereas mores are a set of culturally and/or societally acceptable behaviors that aren't necessarily rooted in religious beliefs.The two sets can intersect, but neither one includes all parts of the other.
I respectfully disagree. Morals only tend to have religious connotations for those who rely on religion as their base. I do not subscribe to any religion, nor do I hold to any religious base (my belief in God does not include religion), yet I have strong morals in general.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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I respectfully disagree. Morals only tend to have religious connotations for those who rely on religion as their base. I do not subscribe to any religion, nor do I hold to any religious base (my belief in God does not include religion), yet I have strong morals in general.
Ah, but you admit to believing in God, therefore you are very likely to have some standard of behavior that could be called morals.

I've seen no evidence for existence of any deity. Societal mores rather than morals dictate a good portion of my behavior. I also behave in certain ways because it's how I'd like to be treated, but not because I think it's necessary "good" or "evil" or a "sin" to behave otherwise. I don't believe in the existence of sin at all. I do believe that bad behaviors exist, and that they should be avoided and/or punished in some way.

It's a fine line of distinction between the two, but it does exist.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:41 PM
 
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Ah, but you admit to believing in God, therefore you are very likely to have some standard of behavior that could be called morals.

I've seen no evidence for existence of any deity. Societal mores rather than morals dictate a good portion of my behavior. I also behave in certain ways because it's how I'd like to be treated, but not because I think it's necessary "good" or "evil" or a "sin" to behave otherwise. I don't believe in the existence of sin at all. I do believe that bad behaviors exist, and that they should be avoided and/or punished in some way.

It's a fine line of distinction between the two, but it does exist.
I don't believe in God, or any other form of deity.

I do believe in absolute morality. (I also, as I understand the distinction, believe in some of societies mores, but not all of them by any means.)
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:04 PM
 
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Ah, but you admit to believing in God, therefore you are very likely to have some standard of behavior that could be called morals.
What I'm disagreeing with is your interpretation that morals are religion based. The morals I live by are NOT religion based. Right and wrong have nothing to do with religion.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:11 PM
 
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What I'm disagreeing with is your interpretation that morals are religion based. The morals I live by are NOT religion based. Right and wrong have nothing to do with religion.
I agree. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat has morals, and he certainly knows nothing about religion. I've often observed him do unselfish things that have no explanation except that he seemed to care about being kind to a fellow creature. He seems to have a strong sense of right and wrong that is not based on "what's in it for kitty." There's no way I could have taught him that, and these aren't behaviors that he's picked up from watching me.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:47 PM
 
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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I agree. In fact, I'm pretty sure my cat has morals, and he certainly knows nothing about religion. I've often observed him do unselfish things that have no explanation except that he seemed to care about being kind to a fellow creature. He seems to have a strong sense of right and wrong that is not based on "what's in it for kitty." There's no way I could have taught him that, and these aren't behaviors that he's picked up from watching me.
LOL, You sure know how to perk up a room...
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