11-05-2008, 07:50 AM
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Does anyone have any concerns about the new president cutting military/contractor/civilian jobs tied to MDA, NASA, and future combat systems? I just do not see how our local economy can survive huge cuts in these sectors. These cuts do not just affect jobs on the military/space front but trickle down to local shops, housing jobs, and surrounding business that rely on Arsenal. I have seen military base closures wipe out a whole town and bring down the local economy for years. Any thoughts?
11-05-2008, 08:18 AM
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Does anyone have any concerns about the new president cutting military/contractor/civilian jobs tied to MDA, NASA, and future combat systems?
Yes I do, but is there anywhere that is less vulnerable? I could go back to LA but the problems with traffic and housing and job cuts are still there.
11-05-2008, 09:05 AM
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I don't think this news will help recruit new talent for the BRAC. If I was an outsider living in another state, I would definitely have concerns moving to this area. My guess, the BRAC will offset some of the future job cuts the new president will make. Then again, who knows how many new BRAC jobs will actually be created after the cuts.
11-05-2008, 02:40 PM
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I had a guy from a small remodeling business come over this afternoon to give me an estimate on some work. He said he couldn't sleep last night after the outcome of the election. He is originally from Detroit and was obviously concerned about the local economy for his small business.
11-05-2008, 05:40 PM
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When you look at what is planned to be moved here, it would take some staggering cuts to make a dent in Huntsville's future.
11-05-2008, 07:39 PM
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MDA and NASA will take the biggest hits
MDA spends its money on R & D, which by its very nature its expensive. It will be hit hard. Watch for the signs: MDA like most newer agencies is heavily staffed by contractors; if those people (your neighbors) start to lose their jobs Boeing will start to cut back and so on. Nasa produces tangible results but does it have a place of high priority in the new administation? I don't think it is at the top.
Yes Huntsville will take a hit, if you are a contractor be aware the Government keeps it ranks while paring YOU. That is just the way it is. It will take 2 to 3 years for this to happen.
There will be many nay sayers responding to this, I hope you are right.
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11-05-2008, 07:53 PM
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MDA spends its money on R & D, which by its very nature its expensive. It will be hit hard.
Even if they cut MDA in half Huntsville will end up with a net gain. Some people will lose their jobs or contracts, because some programs within MDA will be cut, but the competent ones will have no trouble finding a new position or customer.
The idea that MDA is an R&D organization is out of date. We are much more an integration, fielding, and test organization these days.
11-05-2008, 09:06 PM
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The idea that MDA is an R&D organization is out of date. We are much more an integration, fielding, and test organization these days.
Time to ease up on the kool-aid. MDA is funded by 2 year R&D money, period. Don't take my word for it ask your budget person
Why is that important? Why does a detail like the type of money matter??
Imagine yourself as President-Elect Obama's advisor. You need to cut budget (MONEY) to fund your promises, OK. Entitlements: no can do. Cut Dod, OK. Operations money (bullets, soilder's pay), no can't do that hmmmm what about R&D OK. R&D for a mine resistant troop hauler (MWRAP) can't do that (bad press = bad idea). Maybe defense against a threat that most Americans don't think about? Missles?
I don't know it does not sound like too much of a dream to me....
11-05-2008, 11:12 PM
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You won't see government spending cuts of any kind for quite a long time. The last thing government does (nor should do) in recession is cut jobs. Government accounts for about 1/3 of GDP, and making cuts that cost jobs only deepens a recession.
Cuts that cost jobs won't be made until after an economic recovery, and after private industry starts bringing people in again (employment is a lagging economic indicator - companies don't start hiring again until we're well into the next "good" cycle).
This will take awhile. Now, come 2010, 2012, you'll certainly see some cuts that will slow Huntsville's growth - but not completely snuff it out or cause contraction. Of course, once the economy is back on track, I think you'll see cutbacks all over the place to reign in obnoxious budget deficits (the costs of two wars, Bush's new bureaucracies (ie homeland security dept), the bailouts, economic stimulus, plus anything Obama might want to do). In all likelihood, Obama is going to find it very difficult to pull off many of the things he proposed prior to the financial crisis reaching boiling point. Of course, by then one could assume under Obama that sooner rather than later, we won't be spending the 10 billion / month in Iraq we are now either.
Don't worry folks, one thing at a time. Obama has to deal with the economy first. Give him a fair shake, I suspect President Obama will govern from the center-left, and I'm a lifelong Democrat. However, while we're in recession, you CAN expect the Dems to spend like mad (as they should). Then, in a couple years expect Republicans to predictably attack that rampant spending in the next election... even though they would be doing the same if roles were reversed (and in fact were spending rampantly prior to the economic crisis). Such is politics; unfortunately for Democrats like me, the masses will probably buy the Republican line... even though spending during a recession is just plain smart economic policy.
But anyway, Huntsville will be fine. I'm hearing a lot of my conservative friends joke about moving to Canada. While moving to Canada (or pretty much any allied nation) was a decent option for Liberals to joke about when Bush was elected, fact is, Canada and most of the world are more liberal than the US... so it doesn't quite work as well for Conservatives.
You'll be fine. Oh yeah, contrary to emails going around, Obama isn't the anti-Christ either.
11-06-2008, 11:08 AM
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Gov GDP
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DvlsAdvc8
You won't see government spending cuts of any kind for quite a long time. The last thing government does (nor should do) in recession is cut jobs. Government accounts for about 1/3 of GDP, and making cuts that cost jobs only deepens a recession.
Cuts that cost jobs won't be made until after an economic recovery, and after private industry starts bringing people in again (employment is a lagging economic indicator - companies don't start hiring again until we're well into the next "good" cycle).
Ummmm, maybe I forgot what GDP is because how does that relate to jobs? Gov can always spend on other areas (entitlements), so couldn't GDP stay the same if money was moved from DoD to other programs? hmm?
Oh, and we'll stay in Iraq whether dems or repubs are in office. Why would we leave and create a power-grab situation in that area? No siree, we will stay there. Watch. I mean, it wasn't long ago that dems took over congress promising troop removal. soooo, where's the removal? how much time has passed since then? Face reality, let's enjoy our new promising president and look the other way when it comes to the middle east. Iraq is ours, and control will be split between our allies in that region. I read somewhere that Biden even had some sort of plan to split Iraq amongst Saudis and Iranians. And Obama appointing Rahm Emanuel (zionist) as chief of staff, brilliant! I am so glad I voted for Obama because already he shows he is not messing around by choosing Emanuel as the 2nd most powerful person in this nation (it's not the vp spot for all of u who naively thought the VP nominees should have made any difference to your vote).
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People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)