KansasCity BBQ

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by Okey Dokie

Smokehouse is our regular go-to BBQ place (get The Crispy) but the OP specifically asked for places close to I-70. Bryant’s requires a bit of logistical planning for us, but it is my all time fave. I wish they hadn’t closed at Ameristar and in KCK.

Do you like the Smokehouse? I actually mixed about it. It tasted like supermarket BBQ I get up here in NYC metro, which is not bad. But I was thinking KC BBQ suppose to be special.

I just mention Smokehouse because his thread is a year old, and then someone just bumped it.

[KC_Retiree]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Well, the P&L District may still be a fiscal millstone draped around City Hall, but at least this gives R. Crosby Kemper III one less reason to hate it.

Funny! Whether or not it remains a financial millstone, I do not know. Yet another high rise apartment building is under construction within the development. I can say with some certainty, however, the P&L District has been the catalyst for a lot of very good things going on in downtown Kansas City so it is at worst a two-edged sword regardless of R Crosby Kemper's (former?) disposition towards it. I was downtown last Saturday and was delighted to see a totally packed streetcar and an abundance of street life. A little off topic but worth noting.

[Okey Dokie]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Do you like the Smokehouse? I actually mixed about it. It tasted like supermarket BBQ I get up here in NYC metro, which is not bad. But I was thinking KC BBQ suppose to be special.

I just mention Smokehouse because his thread is a year old, and then someone just bumped it.

We like Smokehouse. It’s convenient to where we live. But it is not in the top tier of KC barbeque, not by a long shot.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by KC_Retiree

Funny! Whether or not it remains a financial millstone, I do not know. Yet another high rise apartment building is under construction within the development. I can say with some certainty, however, the P&L District has been the catalyst for a lot of very good things going on in downtown Kansas City so it is at worst a two-edged sword regardless of R Crosby Kemper's (former?) disposition towards it. I was downtown last Saturday and was delighted to see a totally packed streetcar and an abundance of street life. A little off topic but worth noting.

Very much so! Thanks for the report. The three apartment towers, I suspect, contribute a great deal to the added vitality.

When I visited it in 2015, the first of the towers was under construction, and its supermarket was operating as a huge loss leader (the developers of the district knew that without one, it would be harder to persuade Kansas Citians to move into the apartments, so it recruited an operator for it before starting work on the apartments).

The "fiscal millstone" part refers to the bonds floated to build it, totaling $295 million. $120 million of that total went to upgrading the sewer system in the South Loop area, but that still left $175 million for the Cordish-built entertainment complex itself. The idea was that sales tax revenue from businesses in the development would pay off the bonds, but the businesses didn't attract the traffic needed to generate those revenues, so the city had to make up the difference out of the general fund. I don't know if revenues have risen to the point where that's not the case yet. But when I wrote my article on the P&L district that year, the city had just refinanced the bonds to stretch the payments out over a longer term.

I quoted Kemper in the story. He delivered a good zinger or two.