[airics]

Originally Posted by LV10101

I disagree, I bet most people would rather pay the same amount in income tax they do in vehicle registration fees...why because its paid out over the whole year, not a lump sum. Furthermore an added income tax could be used for the lack luster school system we have here in Clark County.

Pay is lower...I've lived in 4 States in just over 4 years...pay is lower on average in Las Vegas.

Not me… own a cheaper car, pay less in registration fees…. If you drive a Benz, Lexus, or whatever, you also get the luxury of paying higher registration fees.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by airics

Not me… own a cheaper car, pay less in registration fees…. If you drive a Benz, Lexus, or whatever, you also get the luxury of paying higher registration fees.

But the people taking the bus are paying nothing. And the people who are not registering their vehicles in Nevada are also paying nothing...and there are a lot of them. A income tax is not as easy to not pay.

[airics]

if you figure in a state income tax at 2%, then that would be at least $1k a year for the average household.. 2 cars… mine are both 2014s.. costs under 700. so im still ahead :-)

now if i had a pair of beemers', i'd probably be paying 2 grand a year for plates.. but then i'd probably be earning 150k in the household.. still cheaper than state tax.

[delgadobb]

Originally Posted by LV10101

I disagree, I bet most people would rather pay the same amount in income tax they do in vehicle registration fees...why because its paid out over the whole year, not a lump sum. Furthermore an added income tax could be used for the lack luster school system we have here in Clark County.

No way in H-E-doublehockeysticks.

In my specific case I actually would likely benefit from the system you describe, but I'd never want to open the income tax can of worms. Yeah, the vehicle registration is high. I'd still rather have a 'pay to play' tax based on consumption.

You want a Lexus or Porsche? Fine, but be prepared for higher fees. There's a (now non-)California neighbor who bought an 80K Escalade. When asked about why it's still registered in California - "Oh, it's too expensive here." Well, then don't live here. If you can afford an 80K Escalade, you can afford to register it.

I have no issue with those who work hard & want to keep their money IF they choose to live in a simple fashion. That's one of the perks of living with no income tax & casinos paying a large chunk of taxes. You want to buy that Escalade or Porsche & flash it around town? Pay the freight.

[lvoc]

Total tax burden in NV is 43rd in the US. Fact
Henderson is 98th out of 200 in Allstate accident rates. Fact
Fatality rates from automobile accidents are around 20th both on mileage and per population. Fact.

Again you are welcome to your opinions but not your own facts.

[Datafeed]

Originally Posted by LV10101

lvoc...thanks for your OPINIONS on the subject.

Comparing fatality rates is not the only comparison to look at when talking about bad drivers in Las Vegas. Sorry but I have lived in many placed and have never remotely seen as many rear-end accidents than I see here in Las Vegas. I lived in plenty of places with crazy drivers, one being New Jersey, drive the New Jersey Turnpike and see some crazy stuff. You also have to compare weather with those fatalities you mention and the overall road condition...again go back East and see how the roads are in places like PA, NY, NJ and so on...we should be very thankful for the condition of most roads in Southern Nevada.

Pay doesn't compare in many areas...but again that is my opinion.

Cost of living is on average I will agree with you on that...but some things push that up. I will tell you my MPG on my car are much lower here in Las Vegas than in other cities I have lived in, possibly due to Las Vegas and their long, never ending red lights.

The car taxes (registration fee) is extremely high, much, much higher than the States of NJ, NY, WA...by the way WA doesn't have income taxes either. I believe a income tax is a more fair system than a high vehicle registration tax...more people would be paying a income tax.

Gaming is still by far the leader of revenue in Las Vegas, yes under 50% total but not one of those other things you mentioned makes up as much revenue as gaming...lets be honest.

The school system is awful...yes there are some limited good schools in Summerlin and Henderson but the majority are awful. Part of the real problem with the school system is allowing it to be a County school system...too big to fail...but failing.

Driving in Vegas is so-so..not kansas, but far from the worst.

driving in vegas is complicated by the factors of an insanely number of drunks on the road in and around the strip area and the tourists who are lost and have no familiarity with the roads. I was at the valet at Wynn last night and 1/2 the folks getting their cars were visibly drunk...myself included.

That being said, I was in LA over the weekend and was shocked at the aggressive nature of drivers there. The self-absorbed nature of the city was clearly manifested in the driving habits there. Dudes just flipping a Uey in the middle of hollywood blvd and taking his sweet time to reverse direction....homeboy in a Bentley passing me on the sidewalk....it was 0300 and the freeway was packed....LA is nice but 5 miles away form your home is a world away.

[Datafeed]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Total tax burden in NV is 43rd in the US. Fact
Henderson is 98th out of 200 in Allstate accident rates. Fact
Fatality rates from automobile accidents are around 20th both on mileage and per population. Fact.

Again you are welcome to your opinions but not your own facts.

98 out of 200...provide context... 98 what out of what?

[icarian]

Originally Posted by LV10101

And the people who are not registering their vehicles in Nevada are also paying nothing...and there are a lot of them.

On this one, a bit of perspective. A good (a very good SWAG would make it a majority, especially depending on where you reside) portion of those pesky out of state plates that are in neighborhoods/not where tourist normally venture...are military. Where I am out in SW Henderson, my Alaska plates stand out and I am definitely a miniscule minority down there. Active military though and the requisite U.S.Code on this. I go up to the NE or NW of the metro and the number vastly increases (several big military activities in the vicinity). I have had TN and AK plates only over the last 20 years. I lived a combined 6 and 1/2 years in those two states where my residency and plates matched the locale.

Of the places you listed that you have previously resided, only parts of Washington State and a couple of rural parts of New York would be considered military heavy, so you may or may not have been exposed to this portion of military life?

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by Datafeed

98 out of 200...provide context... 98 what out of what?

cities. Allstate does it for the 200 biggest with a couple of exceptions.

The fatalities number are by state.

[BBMW]

I bet you would be wrong. Every once in a while it gets floated, and is promptly shot down. People in NV are strongly anti-tax.

As far as improving the school system, note that LV is a significant retirement destination. Putting more money (from their pockets) into the school system is likely not a priority for the retiree population. I've said this before, but it's not likely politically viable. The CCSD should be broken up. With three of four separate school districts, each with their own taxing authority, the population could segregated by parental status. The people with kids, who want better schools and are willing to pay for them, would go to certain districts, the retirees who don't would go to others.

And the vehicle registration fee is a manageable expense. Don't want to pay through the nose for it? Drive an older car (which will save you money in other ways also.) If you want new and flashy? Realize you're going to pay for it. When I first heard about this, I figured someone should make a political issue of it, an push to have it reduced. But that would increase pressure for other taxes. This way, it's basically an optional tax that can be avoided.

In point of fact, you sound like someone who'd be much happier in CA. Either appreciate NV and LV for what it offers, or go someplace that offers you what you want. I think the people who want to turn LV into LA West are doing everyone a disservice. The point of NV and Vegas is that it IS different. If you don't like it, you don't have to be there. As someone who lives in a high tax, high bureaucracy, high service (if you want to call it that) city/state, I'm glad I have the option of ditching where I am, and moving out there.

Originally Posted by LV10101

I disagree, I bet most people would rather pay the same amount in income tax they do in vehicle registration fees...why because its paid out over the whole year, not a lump sum. Furthermore an added income tax could be used for the lack luster school system we have here in Clark County.