Valley Stream Gibson Section (Islip, Elmont: school, zip codes, area)
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Sean , what is your source for the borders of the so-called "North Woodmere" neighborhood?
It would be a very unique, to say the least, situation to have a neighborhood,which is an informal geographic area, partly in two hamlets and one village.
I agree, it's not common - and technically if it were up to me, I'd say that "North Woodmere" is defined only by the parts of Woodmere that are north of Mott's Creek (in fact this is the way I drew it on WikiMapia.org) and not any part of Valley Stream or South Valley Stream at all. I think that's a "more correct" definition, anyway...it makes more sense to me even though the boundaries become wacky.
However, like AlexisT said, most people refer to the neighborhood as everything on that peninsula south of Rosedale Road. It all has the 11581 zip code, and most businesses and schools in that area list themselves as being in North Woodmere.
... most people refer to the neighborhood as everything on that peninsula south of Rosedale Road. It all has the 11581 zip code, and most businesses and schools in that area list themselves as being in North Woodmere.
Are these the same "most people" that refer to villages and hamlets as "towns" and a business district as a "village"?
Sorry, but until the Nassau County Planning Commission agrees and modifies the official map of the communities in Nassau County, what "most people" refer to as "North Woodmere" has no real meaning.
No, it has no official meaning. It has a real meaning, which is how the community defines it. Self-definition is valid; it just has no official standing. Do neighborhoods not have boundaries because there's no law to state what they are?
No, it's not. Official and real are not synonyms. Real means that it exists. It's entirely separate from legal (or otherwise official) standing.
And yes, people, regardless of their geographic illiteracy (or, colloquial usage which differs from the formal), have the right to define the boundaries of their neighborhoods and communities.
Are these the same "most people" that refer to villages and hamlets as "towns" and a business district as a "village"?
Sorry, but until the Nassau County Planning Commission agrees and modifies the official map of the communities in Nassau County, what "most people" refer to as "North Woodmere" has no real meaning.
I beg to differ, obviously a place can have no legal status and still clearly "exist". The most glaring example is just a few miles west in New York City's five boroughs. Harlem is a real place, Astoria is a real place, Coney Island is a real place, Greenwich Village is a real place, etc., etc. etc....the closest thing to that layer of government NYC has are community boards, and when asked where they reside, you don't hear too many people saying "Oh, I live in Queens Community Board 8!"
I don't know if you're aware of this either, but most "hamlets" in upstate New York have no legal status whatsoever and are more commonly defined by postal codes or colloquialisms - much like neighborhoods in downstate NY.
Since there appears to be general agreement that "North Woodmere" is a "neighborhood" in, possibly, 3 communities (the Hamlet of South Valley Stream, the Hamlet of Woodmere and the Village of Valley Stream), then, like the other approximately 1,464 neighborhoods* in both Nassau and Suffolk Counties, it should be identified by the Village or Hamlet it is in, such as "the North Woodmere neighborhood in the Hamlet of South Valley Stream".
* There are 293 communities (2 cities + 96 villages + 195 hamlets = 293 communities) in Nassau and Suffolk Counties, and each of these communities includes some 3 to 7, or more, neighborhoods.
I wonder if listing and advertising a house as being located in a non-existent community ("North Woodmere") could be considered fraud. Nah, the real estate folks are too ethical for that, huh?
It goes on all the time. One that I see often is homes in the northern part of Central Islip being advertised as "South Happaugue"
One that I see often is homes in the northern part of Central Islip being advertised as "South Happaugue"
Tom, would "South Hauppauge" refer to an area/neighborhood in the south part of the Hamlet of Happauge that has a "Central Islip, NY 11722" mailing address?
The Hamlet of Hauppauge:
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