05-26-2007, 06:42 PM
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Thanks for that....Your comments were informed and informative. I love New England, so much that I'm uprooting my life here in the land time forgot (the south) to relocate. Your post answers many questions about the attitudes of people in the area. I have never been offended while visiting the Boston area and though I haven't yet relocated, I have met friends there I know I will have for a lifetime. I approach people there with friendliness and openess and in general I get the same in return. Perhaps my experience was unique but I have found people to be friendly and helpful. You can't and shouldn't stereotype people based on limited experiences. I find some of the behavior "quirky" to be sure but New England has so much to offer on so many levels, living there is worth it all.
HI B52!
I would love to take credit for those comment on New England. But I must give credit where credit is due. that post was originally written by hilliegal 05-06-2007, 11:49 AM. Under the titled fitting in.
05-26-2007, 07:04 PM
Location: Phoenix AZ
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This is the way I explain it to people... If you are walking through a door behind someone in New England, don't expect the person in front of you to hold the door open- because they won't; but they also won't slam the door in your face.
As far as people being nice or mean... That all depends on what you're expecting. I remember walking through a mall for the first time not in New England, and random people were smiling and saying "hi". I was totally confused and thought "What in the world is this?!? Why are these people talking to me?" If you expect a smile and you get nothing you think its being mean. If you expect a scowl and get nothing, then you think its being nice. There are mean people and nice people everywhere, including New England, but at least in New England people are being honest. They won't pretend to like you. If they are nice to you its because they want to be, not because they are just trying to be polite!
Does anyone anywhere really like to hear about the crink in your neck or any other stupid personal stuff? They have their own problems to worry about, and their own issues going on. New Englanders just don't pretend they care about it if they really don't. It doesn't make them mean, just genuine.
05-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I posted this on the Boston board too, but I just graduated from college in Maryland and I was pleasantly surprised at how nice all of the out of state students from Massachusetts were, without exception. About strangers and conversations, I really had an experience that completely turned my expectations upside down. Most of my immediate and extended families paint everywhere north of Maryland in a broad negative brush and stereotype them and my aunt always singles out Boston just because my uncle took two business trips there and experienced aggressive driving and rude strangers. But then maybe we're the ones being intolerant...with a lot of my family and neighbors, everything wrong with our part of Maryland, and why it's not as "nice" as 20 years ago, is always blamed on transplants from "the North" or "New York and Boston" though increasingly on illegal immigrants too. I'm actually surprised how quickly we bought into this to be honest since my parents came to the U.S. from Taiwan 25 years ago.
I've met a lot of people from the Boston area (esp. Westford) and they are actually much friendlier than people I'd assumed to be really nice, such as rural areas in Maryland and they were not really arrogant or think Massachusetts is better than anywhere else (but people from the NY area truly are arrogant for the most part.)
Now about the strangers' friendliness question, a very interesting personal experience and a lesson that proves a lot of people here right. I swim once a week at the campus pool, usually during the same time one of my friends is working there. We would always talk but kinda ignore the people she worked with. Then one night my friend wasn't there but when I was taking a break during my swim one of the other lifegaurds just came over and started talking to me like about my friend she works with but also just to get to know me cause she's seen me swim there 4 times already. We talked for literally 10 minutes about our sports teams, hobbies, partying etc. Something like this usually doesn't happen (people just go swim and leave and nobody talks to the peopel at the pool unless you know them already) so I had to ask if she was from somewhere else, and she said around Boston.
So I must have just paused like an idiot then admitted I had assumed she must be from somewhere in the South or the Midwest or a very small town in Maryland. She actually told me how people in Maryland were not as friendly as she had expected (everyone from north of MD thinks we're the South and everyone south of us thinks we're the North). I told her I wanted to say hi to her the third time we saw each other at the pool but that I didn't want to come across as weird, that I would have done that if this was New Orleans or Idaho (where my cousins lived and I've visited multiple times). But like people here just don't talk to strangers like that.
What she told me was that no matter where you are if you will just be nice to people they'll be nice back. I guess that's advice I can go by. Like I guess during the few times I've traveled up north (never past NYC) we've assumed people to be rude and impersonable so we never made an effort to be friendly either, while the opposite is true when I travel to the South or the mountain states.
05-28-2007, 01:28 AM
Location: Port st. Lucie, FL
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i live in florida right now and i miss how the people in new england are. sure they are rude and such, but its all a culture thing. they can be great people. i really dont see why all you southerners hate on us yankees so much, we just have a different culture than you. if you understood it better, you might actually like it.
05-28-2007, 10:52 AM
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If they hate the yankees then tell them to go kiss some grits at the Waffle House in between cigarettes.
05-28-2007, 09:30 PM
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Hi Cowboy,
I am a 27-year former resident and Native of Massachusetts - and a recent transplant to the south
On behalf of the "M*******s" and the rest of the New England population, I sincerely apologize for any of the attitudes and vibes you've misconstrued.
Let me explain.
Yes - people from the northeast are generally NOT friendly. It's called New England reserve. I wouldn't call it arrogance. Just a quiet reserve. It's just a cultural difference. People from the north are generally "shut in" most of the year. Days are short, Winters are long and cold. In the south, people are out more, and therefore, more social. This quiet reserve is also consistent with the puritans, who really formed Boston culture.
Education and competition is another reason Bostonians are so unfriendly. It's not a competition against each other, but a competition with one's SELF. People are just so stuck in the ratrace from the high cost of living. It drives the Boston workaholic crazy. I also feel the instilled importance of a stellar education causes a lot of stress among young students. High hopes and expectations after graduating from an elite (aka expensive) university only to graduate with $140,000 in school loans and with no means of paying them can also make a Bostonian bitter. That's why many of us moved south. Because we can't take that way of life anymore.
Hope that sheds some light on the issue. Please don't feel like the we quiet and inward northeners have anything else against the rest of the world...even though we may say we do. Our bark is usually worse than our bite. And I really feel the people of the region, though unfriendly, are some of the most genuine people in the country.
On the flip side of things, I've also met a lot of friendly hospitable southerners, who were...well, very unfriendly when I turned my back. But I don't think southerners are bad people. Just different socially from northerners
06-05-2007, 06:42 PM
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oh I live in MA..it sucks. As do the people...*who are better than you - and you better know that -- especially if your from out of state...
And dont even try to be nice beacuse thats an insult to Mass people who DO NOT have time for you to be nice. so move on....and get out of the way..NOW........
06-06-2007, 09:37 AM
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Bad attitudes get rude reactions
People, in general, react to how you act towards them. If you're a jerk (like the poster above), then people will react negatively towards you. You can tell he/she has a very bad attitude. If you start out each day with a chip on your shoulder, you can expect people to act rudely to you.
"Gettin outta here" may have better luck in another state, but probably will have the same responses from people if the attitude doesn't improve.
06-06-2007, 07:28 PM
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This will upset all of you but all
American drivers are bad. I am from Germany where I learned to drive. In a driving school for many expensive hours. A lot of American drivers would not even survive the first onramp of the no-speed-limit Autobahn. How is it done? With strict discpline and stiking to the rules. That is something I found very much lacking on American roads when I first got here. I almost fainted when I saw somebody run a red light and no camera went off. Or passing me on the right side on the highway. But I adjusted and I can drive here just fine. I just sometimes wonder why so many drivers here are so ignorant and seem to totally disregard other drivers....
As for poeple from MA being rude...you have never met a real grumpy German (which I am not one of them). But then again Germany sure is a cold country with very long winters.
I somewhere read a theory that said that most Nobel-Prize-Winners are from the north, where it is colder. They just stay inside and think (I know I am on thin ice here, ha, ha), but maybe it is true!
06-06-2007, 07:53 PM
Location: wrong planet
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Hey "Haberstroh"... where in Germany are you from? I am German also, from Rheinland Pfalz, the winters there are getting warmer and warmer and the summers hotter! I know what you mean about the driving. But the worst driving I have ever seen was on the DC beltway, LOL... MA isn't quite as bad
. Tschuess!
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People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)