10-14-2008, 08:07 PM
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Freebird, as I stated in the beginning of my thread-this thread is not for people who are already here-they obviously like it, if they are still here. I am writing for people who are planning their move-so they would not repeat our mistakes. we did visit Maui before moving here-but you dont have the full picture until you move.
remember people from the mainland, hot weather gets old! it is hard to believe, but it does! you will be missing fall and cool weather, and cheap mainland prices, and you WILL feel locked up-it is a small island, you will see everything ten times in two months tops. it is not worth the cost of living and relocation-come visit as tourist. When we were here as tourists, we absolutely loved it! visiting has NOTHING to do with the reality of living here. thats why so many people move back.
Oh, by the way-people in NY ARE nice, very nice, accepting and open. I met plenty of cool people on the subway-and I talked to strangers all the time on my way to work. it is a complete misconseption that NY people are cold and mean. In fact it is completely the opposite-everyone wants to talk to you-everywhere-subway, cab drivers, restaurants. you make friends everywhere. When i call my pharmacy in NY, my pharmacist is asking me when i am coming back. The post office people know me personally, so is the laundry place, dry cleaners, local restaurants. i feels like having a big family.
it is not a cold and lonely place like it is pictured-it i pretty awesome, people of completely different cultures are interacting constantly and learning from each other.
it is not true-remember September 11-total strangers were helping each other. I moved there knowing noone, in a month i had a ton of great friends, who helped me tremendously-to find an apartment, job, furniture. I did not have to bend over backwards or learn their culture.
10-14-2008, 08:33 PM
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Calico, yes, i will, but it will not make me any happier-my husband will have to sty here, alone. and it breaks my heart. thats why i am telling everyone to think twice. We wasted thousands of dollars, it probably would be enough for a down payment in NY. this is the money we will not return, and have to pay back. Plus i will be separated from my husband, we will have to pay double rent-in NY and here, in Hawaii, it is a big mess-there is really no got way to get out of it. it is not as simple as just move back.
Again, I started this thread not to offend people who are already on Maui--everyone is different. I started it for people who are thinking about moving, like MadRussian.
When you live on Mainland-you are stressed, and tired, and you think that when you get to Maui, you will be more relaxed, and have more time to enjoy other activities. it is not necessarily true. It was an argument my husband made-he is tired, he wants to work less, no commute, bigger house. but somehow we are more tired and stressed then we were on the mainland, everything takes longer, much longer, I have not watched tv ones, have not been to the movies, we are constantly driving around, which eats all our free time-to the bank, to the stores, hospital, to other parts of the island. Somehow we had much more free time in NY, as well as out of town trips. And many times were are advised that we should fly to Oahu, for one reason or another-to see a doctor, or something else.
10-14-2008, 08:35 PM
Location: Texas
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Freebird-excellent post.
another thought, something i dont think anyone has ever written about on these forums.....
now, i am just basing this on Kauai, where my sister has lived for 22 years and i have been visiting all of my life and have lived there for a short period myself...dont know if it's the same on other islands, certainly probably not on the very populated Oahu, but it seems like you always have to walk on "egg shells"-you have to be VERY careful about what you say, how you say it etc. and TRUST ME, i KNOW southern hospitality-i have spent most of my adult life in the South, Mississippi and Georgia, but mostly Texas....and i am a KIND person...but it drives me nuts that you have to be very GUARDED with your opinions and feelings and words, as not to "rub someone the wrong way". and it could even be something that is simply impersonal (nothing directly related to the people around you)...e.g. political views. if you are a conservative republican, FORGET IT, you will not fit in very easily. if you are not liberal in terms of homosexuals and pakalolo smokin', FORGET IT, you definitely wont fit in. it seems like the ones who have the most active social life, seem to be the ones that are either into the "NEW AGE" thang, or smoke pakalolo. ok ok...dont give me long distance stink eye! from what my sister experiences, in terms of having to walk on egg-shells, it is a HUNDRED times worse than dealing with some of the nosy intrusive judgemental Baptists in small town Texas.
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10-14-2008, 08:40 PM
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newUNproof-exactly my point. Hawaii will work for you, if you are: Single, have a hobby that is related to the beach-like surfing, diving, have lots of money, like isolated life and not very ambitious, and will be happy if they dont achieve much in life-lets face it-there are not that many career opportunities here, besides having your own business. I see many young people in their 30ies working at resorts, as guides, instructors, etc. if you are fine with it-you will be happy. If you dont expect much from your life-you will be fine, if all you need is frolicking on the beach and hiking to waterfalls.
But many people are not like this-they want to grow, learn something new every day, have a career, have children and family, and be able to give good life to their kids-with good schools, colleges, ability to see the world.
I seriously doubt that any of the people in those big rich houses i see on the island, made their money here-they made it elsewhere and came here to enjoy their success...and it works. Otherwise it does not-there are really not that many places you can apply yourself.
10-14-2008, 08:44 PM
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oh come on, bellestar, I lived in Texas, dont even get me started! not much better in terms of trying to fit in! unless you are in a big city, small texas towns-the same thing, if you are different, you wont fit in-you have to be christian, go to church, pray at dinner, smile all the time. I am russian, we dont smile all the time, i was sick of people making me smile! it felt completely fake. All small and isolated places are the same-it is very hard to it in, because everyone is the same
10-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Location: Texas
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it's unbelievable, the amount of folks who move to Hawaii unprepared, without a solid plan and bank account, and end up homeless on the beach and on state assistance. my sister went to HUD housing orientation and she said there were many people there who live in tents on the beach, just like she has for many years on and off in her 22 years. cuz if you move out there, and end up broke, you're stuck like chuck-with no money to move back to the mainland. on the other hand, it's probably the best place to be on welfare-you even get flown, at state's expense to Oahu from outer islands just for appointments with specialists. amazing
10-14-2008, 09:30 PM
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Nothing about Hawaii changed. Cost didn't go up just because you came. Nobody said hey Julia is coming so lets make the medical care worse. The utility companies weren't waiting around for your plane to land to raise rates. The speed limit wasn't reduced because you arrived and started driving. They didn't remove produce from the farmers market because you went there to buy stuff. God didn't change Hawaiis weather just because you arrived.
Everything that you are seeing was here before you came and will be here long after you leave. Everyone told you what to expect. This is what Hawaii is!
I don't understand why you came to begin with since you didn't want to be here. Everything you compalinned about was based on your feeling that you should have things your way, that everything should change to fit your need. Thats not the way things are here or anywhere. You wanted to hate Hawaii and you just couldn't wait to show that hatred.
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10-14-2008, 10:36 PM
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Ok I am planning on taking a job At Maui Medical Center. On a fixed budget with a small house. 800 sqare feet. How much is electric and gas? I was under the impression of $200.00 max. Julia says it is $700.00 a month. That is definetly not in my budget. I have been looking at adds all along, and I really don't see that food is that much more than in Phoenix. you have to just buy things when they are on sale, or utilize the farmers markets. Am I dillusional or wearing rose colored glassed when I think I can live on a budget there?
10-14-2008, 11:07 PM
Location: Kauai
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Our family (actually 2+ families - sis and her daughter live in a 2BR/1ba apt. with kitchenette; me, hubby and son have 2 BR/2Ba, LR, full kitchen and laundry; and grandma has a 1BR/1Ba studio with a sink, fridge and microwave; all are attached) has a total of almost 3,000 square feet (I think it's like 2887). We have 3 full refrigerators (2 new, one with icemaker), two washers and dryers (though we mostly hang our clothes out and one of the dryers is gas), and a gas water heater (we're going to solar soon). We mostly eat at home, so we cook a lot. No A/C, but we run fans a lot. We have a solar attic fan that keeps the house bearable. We have 5 computers and 2 TVs (one TV is on rarely, one a lot; 2 of the computers are on a lot, the other 3 only in the evenings).
Our electric bill last month was $260, for all of us. One service fee, and the actual cost of 'trons is .45/kWh here on Kauai. YMMV.
Can't say about the gas (propane), as they haven't filled the tank since we've all been here (three of us arrived in August). Water bill is about $50 every two months.
10-15-2008, 01:46 AM
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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It isn't so much the size of the house as the equipment and appliances in it. If you have a swimming pool that can add hundreds onto your electric bill. Electric stoves, water heaters, dryers, etc., can really rack up the electric bills too. There are sneaky ghost loads if electronics aren't turned onto an off switch.
Met a couple from Hilo last week who have a $500 a month electric bill. They have a swimming pool, though.
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)