Mexico x USA - Border Fence (cost, properties, build, Brazilian)

[stevenvillatoro]

Originally Posted by DiverTodd62

If you think otherwise then too bad for you, you're never going to get your desire of unrestricted and unenforced borders...

Here's a link to arguments for and against open borders, as civilized European countries now enjoy.

Originally Posted by DiverTodd62

... no matter how many times someone may "rep" you.

Good one, Todd!

As the world 'shrinks' due to improved access to communications, more interdependence among countries, more need/desire for unrestricted movement, improved awareness of our human commonalities, less fear of intercultural association and integration, a higher awareness of interlinked economies... the 'melting pot' model which was so good for the U.S. will necessarily become the prototype for our whole planet. Some distinctions about borders will become burdensome and passé as world cultures move toward equilibrium.

[xS☺B☺s]

Originally Posted by stevenvillatoro

Here's a link to arguments for and against open borders, as civilized European countries now enjoy.

Good one, Todd!

As the world 'shrinks' due to improved access to communications, more interdependence among countries, more need/desire for unrestricted movement, improved awareness of our human commonalities, less fear of intercultural association and integration, a higher awareness of interlinked economies... the 'melting pot' model which was so good for the U.S. will necessarily become the prototype for our whole planet. Some distinctions about borders will become burdensome and passé as world cultures move toward equilibrium.

Future generations will view "border security" with the same disdain as this generation views segregation and eugenics. This wall cannot barricade Google Translate. In two generations it will be in a museum - situated somewhere between the Berlin Wall, the ropes of the KKK, and doctrines of the Schutzstaffel.

Personally, I think they put that wall there just to caution the people of Mexico that Americans aren't as smart as some may imagine.

[BRAZILIAN]

Originally Posted by Bostonian08

Well I think your perception of similarities with the Berlin Wall is justified. No doubt a large portion of hatred and fear is mixed with The Wall's concrete. I would definitely say this Wall has some very definite Berlin characteristics.



I would also like to tell you and the general public that I am one of many Americans who do not like that Wall any more than we liked the Berlin Wall and for the same reason.

To me, the Wall represents fear and hate. This world needs less and fear and hate and more love and peace.



"Tear down the wall ... tear down the wall ..."

Very good words Bostonian,
I hope to know some day more and more people thinking like you.
GOD BLESS YOU.

[BRAZILIAN]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

What difference does it make to you?

Sovereign nations have a right to control their borders, and to regulate who can cross them.

Just curiosity.
Be calm. Don't be nervous.

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by WIHS2006

What difference does it make to you?

Sovereign nations have a right to control their borders, and to regulate who can cross them.

That's not what Mr. Reagan told Mr. Gorbachev.

[SarahSal]

Originally Posted by stevenvillatoro

Here's a link to arguments for and against open borders, as civilized European countries now enjoy.

Good one, Todd!

As the world 'shrinks' due to improved access to communications, more interdependence among countries, more need/desire for unrestricted movement, improved awareness of our human commonalities, less fear of intercultural association and integration, a higher awareness of interlinked economies... the 'melting pot' model which was so good for the U.S. will necessarily become the prototype for our whole planet. Some distinctions about borders will become burdensome and passé as world cultures move toward equilibrium.

Reps to both of you for these essential truths..

[SarahSal]

Originally Posted by Bostonian08

Future generations will view "border security" with the same disdain as this generation views segregation and eugenics. This wall cannot barricade Google Translate. In two generations it will be in a museum - situated somewhere between the Berlin Wall, the ropes of the KKK, and doctrines of the Schutzstaffel.

Personally, I think they put that wall there just to caution the people of Mexico that Americans aren't as smart as some may imagine.

Perhaps, but also for purely political reasons - to keep their (more anti-immigration) constituents happy and maintain their support.

[oceangaia]

Originally Posted by stevenvillatoro

Here's a link to arguments for and against open borders, as civilized European countries now enjoy.

Some distinctions about borders will become burdensome and passé as world cultures move toward equilibrium.

As for the link, that is the worst kind of biased propaganda there is - the kind that pretends to be giving both sides. Anyone that actually reads that garbage will note that it spends the first part giving reasons for open borders followed by supporting opinions for those reasons including rebuttals in bold type for reasons against. Then the second part briefly lists reasons for closed borders followed by opinions why those reasons are invalid. At no point in that page do they try to justify the reasons for closed borders as they do for open borders and at no point do they offer rebuttal to the reasons for open borders. Blatantly biased page.

As for equilibrium, it has more to do with economic equilibrium than cultural equilibrium. Indeed, borders will be unnecessary as the world moves toward economic equilibrium as that will eliminate most of the need to immigrate in the first place. Or at least, the immigration will be roughly offsetting. That is why those European examples have open borders - they are generally at economic equilibrium.

[xS☺B☺s]

Originally Posted by jtur88

That's not what Mr. Reagan told Mr. Gorbachev.

I think about that a lot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A

[stevenvillatoro]

Originally Posted by DiverTodd62

As for the link, that is the worst kind of biased propaganda there is - the kind that pretends to be giving both sides.

I look forward to reading your correction to the Wikipedia source page — Wikipedia: How to edit a page