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Its a disgrace that the Brazilans are calling jujitsu "Brazilan jujitsu." Jujitsu originated from Japan and it was introduced to Brazil by the Japanese. Just because few Brazilan jujitsu masters tweeked few moves doesn't give birth to a new form of martial arts.
Its a disgrace that the Brazilans are calling jujitsu "Brazilan jujitsu." Jujitsu originated from Japan and it was introduced to Brazil by the Japanese. Just because few Brazilan jujitsu masters tweeked few moves doesn't give birth to a new form of martial arts.
Its nothing new in the martial arts. Ed Parker took a Chinese art - kenpo and called it American Kenpo. Nothing American about it as its primarily a Chinese art. No big deal, its just marketing a product you're trying to sell.
BJJ was developed by the Gracies, who learned their art from a Kodokan Judo practitioner. So yes, it came from Judo, which of course came from Japanese Jiu Jitsu. I practice both arts, but think of BJJ as a means through which I can improve my newaza for Judo.
JiuJitsu is very very different than Judo, with the newaza being much more advanced, and in particular, developed to what it is by the Gracie family. Therefore, it is a very different sport than judo and japanese ju-jitsu and needs to be classified as such. It also has it's own entirely unique rule system for competition.
If you went to a judo academy, and all they taught was newaza derived from Carlos and Helio Gracie, you'd be pissed off, because you wouldn't be doing judo. It's in the practitioner's benefit that things are labeled as such.
You could complain about any sport that has varieties within it: Greco Roman versus Folk or Freestyle wrestling, NASCAR versus Indy, Football vs Rugby vs American Football, Softball vs Baseball. etc.
You drill some tech in slow mo, then you get to roll
but what about drills to develop physical abilities for ground grappling?
it relies too much on finesse, and totally ignores brute force
I don't know where you trained, but at my old school we drilled strength and power moves all the time, not to mention tons of conditioning. Hundreds of pushups, situps, rope climbing, peg board climbing, gi lapel climbing, squats, weight lifting etc.
JiuJitsu is very very different than Judo, with the newaza being much more advanced, and in particular, developed to what it is by the Gracie family. Therefore, it is a very different sport than judo and japanese ju-jitsu and needs to be classified as such. It also has it's own entirely unique rule system for competition.
If you went to a judo academy, and all they taught was newaza derived from Carlos and Helio Gracie, you'd be pissed off, because you wouldn't be doing judo. It's in the practitioner's benefit that things are labeled as such.
You could complain about any sport that has varieties within it: Greco Roman versus Folk or Freestyle wrestling, NASCAR versus Indy, Football vs Rugby vs American Football, Softball vs Baseball. etc.
BJJ is a very different sport from Judo; I would argue that it is not a greatly different art. You can indeed, with great but limited success (understand what I am saying here), compete in Judo matches using newaza taught by those people who learned from the Carlos/Helio Gracie system. Carlos and Helio Gracie learned their newaza from a Kodokan Judo practitioner; what they learned was judo, although they and their descendants developed that judo into a separate sport from what they learned. BJJ is Judo in the same sense that Greco-Roman, Freestyle and folkstyle are all wrestling.
I don't know where you trained, but at my old school we drilled strength and power moves all the time, not to mention tons of conditioning. Hundreds of pushups, situps, rope climbing, peg board climbing, gi lapel climbing, squats, weight lifting etc.
That is the best way to learn BJJ and Judo. Conditioning is just as important as technique.
BJJ is a very different sport from Judo; I would argue that it is not a greatly different art. You can indeed, with great but limited success (understand what I am saying here), compete in Judo matches using newaza taught by those people who learned from the Carlos/Helio Gracie system. Carlos and Helio Gracie learned their newaza from a Kodokan Judo practitioner; what they learned was judo, although they and their descendants developed that judo into a separate sport from what they learned. BJJ is Judo in the same sense that Greco-Roman, Freestyle and folkstyle are all wrestling.
That's what I'm saying. I didn't say it was a different art. However, I stick to my original point that, that in this day and age people have an idea of what judo is, and what bjj is, and when looking for traditional judo, they wouldn't want the newaza intensive training of bjj.
Something interesting to note, when the Gracies learned from Maeda, judo was still called 'jiu-jitsu' in Japan. So, in terms of etymology, they are actually being pure, simply by stating that it's a Brazilian variety of the art.
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