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Old 12-17-2023, 06:43 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I've read some books on both species and find their stories interesting and tragic. You hear about the ivory-bill more often and claims of sightings. Yet with all of the camera phones and trail cameras none have been spotted positively since 1944. It seems like there should have been clear documentation by now. This species does seem lost sadly.

The imperial however, has not had many extensive surveys of its habitat due to the dangerous area it inhabits. This one seems to have a bit more hope of existence but not much.

What do you all think?
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Old 12-17-2023, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Old 12-18-2023, 10:15 AM
 
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These are like Bigfoot sightings aren't they?
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Old 12-18-2023, 09:41 PM
 
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Maybe. There's not sufficient evidence to say yes, and the evidence we do have suggests...probably not.
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Old 12-19-2023, 12:16 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I've read some books on both species and find their stories interesting and tragic. You hear about the ivory-bill more often and claims of sightings. Yet with all of the camera phones and trail cameras none have been spotted positively since 1944. It seems like there should have been clear documentation by now. This species does seem lost sadly.

The imperial however, has not had many extensive surveys of its habitat due to the dangerous area it inhabits. This one seems to have a bit more hope of existence but not much.

What do you all think?
One wonders why there are such rumors concerning the woodpeckers but not the passenger pigeons. To my mind it gives the rumors some credibility. That being said, I wonder, even if the rumors are true, if the remaining population could survive inevitable inbreeding.
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Old 12-19-2023, 12:21 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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One wonders why there are such rumors concerning the woodpeckers but not the passenger pigeons. To my mind it gives the rumors some credibility. That being said, I wonder, even if the rumors are true, if the remaining population could survive inevitable inbreeding.
Because passenger pigeons are, well, pigeons. They don't really look cool or have a cool name.

There may be a small possibility the Ivory Billed has a relict population hidden away. Also possible for the Imperial.
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Old 12-19-2023, 01:14 PM
 
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Because passenger pigeons are, well, pigeons. They don't really look cool or have a cool name.

There may be a small possibility the Ivory Billed has a relict population hidden away. Also possible for the Imperial.

The prejudice against pigeons is not universal, not in time and not in place. It's also undeserved. They are not NA natives though, aside from passenger pigeons
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Old 12-19-2023, 02:07 PM
 
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The prejudice against pigeons is not universal, not in time and not in place. It's also undeserved. They are not NA natives though, aside from passenger pigeons
I wonder if diseases from the non-natives and the starlings ultimately did them in. I find it hard to believe that hunting alone could have.
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Old 12-19-2023, 02:31 PM
 
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I wonder if diseases from the non-natives and the starlings ultimately did them in. I find it hard to believe that hunting alone could have.
For passenger pigeons it wasn't "hunting" but all out warfare:

https://www.petoskeynews.com/story/n...n/70084173007/

And, as is common with most extinctions, habitat loss and degradation.
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Old 12-19-2023, 04:27 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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For passenger pigeons it wasn't "hunting" but all out warfare:

https://www.petoskeynews.com/story/n...n/70084173007/

And, as is common with most extinctions, habitat loss and degradation.
One would think that the increasing scarcity would have made those kinds of hunts passe, and given a chance at regeneration.
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