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Old 11-27-2020, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Silly question? I've heard that basements are basically safe from tornado damage but how affordably can they be made fire and heat resistant?
Don't even think about. If there is a fire headed your way, then leave. Let it burn down and collect your insurance.

The fire danger is higher where I live. IME (14 years here) if there is a fire in or threatening the town, they get on it very quickly. A few houses have been burned; not many. If you are out in the boonies you likely have more risk.

In the Little Bear Fire (in 2012) they dinked around for days (unsuccessfully) trying to put out a very small fire that started up by Sierra Blanca. Then the wind picked up and it quickly got out of control. Over 200 buildings were destroyed in that one. No one around here has been hurt in a fire that I know of.
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Old 11-27-2020, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Don't even think about. If there is a fire headed your way, then leave. Let it burn down and collect your insurance.

The fire danger is higher where I live. IME (14 years here) if there is a fire in or threatening the town, they get on it very quickly. A few houses have been burned; not many. If you are out in the boonies you likely have more risk.

In the Little Bear Fire (in 2012) they dinked around for days (unsuccessfully) trying to put out a very small fire that started up by Sierra Blanca. Then the wind picked up and it quickly got out of control. Over 200 buildings were destroyed in that one. No one around here has been hurt in a fire that I know of.
I was afraid of this. Trouble is I absolutely live for my stuff; very big home theater enthusiast with huge music and movie collections. I'd have to spend years that I don't have trying to replace it, not to mention data from my computerized document and other files, even though backed up on multiple drives. And saving all of it to clouds would like be $$$$$.

I’m sure that many parts of Lincoln County are as beautiful as I’ve seen elsewhere in NM. But as I lament here https://wildfiretoday.com/tag/little-bear/ , here https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...l#post59781734 and especially here https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...county-nm.html the more I learned the more I’ve been forced to accept that I would likely be destroyed by the realities of the Land of Enchantment. Surviving the death of a dream is such a wicked thing.

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Old 11-27-2020, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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I think you are worrying too much. You are fortunate that your collection is something that *can* be backed up! Nobody and no thing is 100% protected no matter who or where you are.

The property I mentioned earlier is ~20min drive from Ruidoso, in a quiet and beautiful spot. Crime is low here anyway, but it's in a gated development too. Paved rounds all the way, gas, electric, DSL, cell, shallow wells. Not expensive. The Little Bear Fire already cleared out the dead wood up wind, so I think the fire danger is pretty low also!

They probably have gated developments around Silver City as well.
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:02 PM
 
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I was afraid of this. Trouble is I absolutely live for my stuff; very big home theater enthusiast with huge music and movie collections. I'd have to spend years that I don't have trying to replace it, not to mention data from my computerized document and other files, even though backed up on multiple drives. And saving all of it to clouds would like be $$$$$.

I’m sure that many parts of Lincoln County are as beautiful as I’ve seen elsewhere in NM. But as I lament here https://wildfiretoday.com/tag/little-bear/ , here https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...l#post59781734 and especially here https://www.city-data.com/forum/new-...county-nm.html the more I learned the more I’ve been forced to accept that I would likely be destroyed by the realities of the Land of Enchantment. Surviving the death of a dream is such a wicked thing.

Silver City is not going to have a raging wildfire burn though the city. Its people who live outside of town in the forests or other people who live outside of town. Most people who live in New Mexico have little worry of wildfires.
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Old 11-27-2020, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Most people who live in New Mexico have little worry of wildfires.
I think those 200+ who lost their homes in the Little Bear fire would disagree-not to mention those who lost their homes, limbs and lives in floods and sinkholes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlRtUJNKA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpUutAj_pDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkHqhoHXyfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZkjfVxS0h4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUJmEhTYJgs Indeed, most of NM subsurface soil is composed of salt and gypsum, which all too easily absorbs water and then can suddenly collapse when under pressure-such as from increasingly trafficked roadways. Take a look at the legend in this USGS sinkhole map for the NM area, indeed much of the southern US. https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/w...center_objects

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Old 11-27-2020, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I think you are worrying too much. You are fortunate that your collection is something that *can* be backed up! Nobody and no thing is 100% protected no matter who or where you are.

The property I mentioned earlier is ~20min drive from Ruidoso, in a quiet and beautiful spot. Crime is low here anyway, but it's in a gated development too. Paved rounds all the way, gas, electric, DSL, cell, shallow wells. Not expensive. The Little Bear Fire already cleared out the dead wood up wind, so I think the fire danger is pretty low also!

They probably have gated developments around Silver City as well.
I guess you have your reasons for wanting to leave. But I’ve been foolish and hypocritical thinking I could know the joys of NM landscapes without then all the while suffering these fears. For me at least, that’s not a healthy and sensible way to live, much less a comfortable way to retire, even if it’s not the happiest.
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I guess you have your reasons for wanting to leave. But I’ve been foolish and hypocritical thinking I could know the joys of NM landscapes without then all the while suffering these fears. For me at least, that’s not a healthy and sensible way to live, much less a comfortable way to retire, even if it’s not the happiest.
I guess you have your reasons for wanting to leave. But I’ve been foolish and hypocritical thinking I could know the joys of NM landscapes without then all the while suffering these fears. For me at least, that’s not a healthy and sensible way to live, much less a comfortable way to retire, even if the alternative-staying in NY-is not the happiest.
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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even if the alternative-staying in NY-is not the happiest.
I think there is more reason to be afraid in NY. I don't even lock my doors most of the time.

BTW, I'm leaving because I want to vagabond in the wilderness for a few years before I'm too old to enjoy it. I still think where I'm living is as good as it gets in this country.
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Old 11-28-2020, 11:09 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I think those 200+ who lost their homes in the Little Bear fire would disagree-not to mention those who lost their homes, limbs and lives in floods and sinkholes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BlRtUJNKA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpUutAj_pDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkHqhoHXyfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZkjfVxS0h4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUJmEhTYJgs Indeed, most of NM subsurface soil is composed of salt and gypsum, which all too easily absorbs water and then can suddenly collapse when under pressure-such as from increasingly trafficked roadways. Take a look at the legend in this USGS sinkhole map for the NM area, indeed much of the southern US. https://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/w...center_objects
We have lived in Rio Rancho, NM for the past 20+ years... None of those items you showed affected my wife and I, and our children who also live separately in Rio Rancho.

I don't what you are jabbering about. You are way off topic. This thread is about Silver City, New Mexico, over 250 miles away from Rio Rancho, New Mexico.
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Old 11-28-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Silver City is not going to have a raging wildfire burn though the city. Its people who live outside of town in the forests or other people who live outside of town. Most people who live in New Mexico have little worry of wildfires.
Off topic? Hardly. During my > 20 minute phone chat with the fellow municipal planner in Grant County I spoke with last month, it was he who declared that SC area gets hit with wildfires every year. How effective their FDs (and homeowners) are at protecting their homes I didn't ask. But whether or not you're correct that most in NM "have little worry of wildfires", the fact is Little Bear, Tadpole (in Grant last year) and countless other larger and smaller fires take dozens if not hundreds of homes and other important buildings way too often for my comfort level.

As for sinkholes, I will concede that both Grant and Taos are about the only counties which are at low risk; a major reason for my interest there. My point it that MOST of NM is at risk, according to published USGS findings. Indeed, another heartbreak was Rio Rancho, Las Cruces, Los Lunas and other very attractive places that are likewise at risk. And while you can hire a geologist/physicist to survey the home or land you're thinking of buying-and do so for 1000 feet or more around it, once you start driving on the main drags in RR and lots of other places all bets are off. Sorry, but just because you and your family living in RR got lucky, those TV News videos DO NOT LIE, obviously. Speaking of which, I never recalled any of those TV reports mentioning the condition of those drivers and passengers exiting those vehicles. Even if they weren't killed, when my Mom was involved in a somewhat low speed multi-car accident her rotator cuff was damaged. And when the airbag discharged her hearing was never the same again-one of many reasons why I always drive as little as possible-and always wear earplugs, and take numerous other precautions to protect my hearing acuity. To be able to enjoy the full frequency range of music is the most joyous thing in my life hands down; no music no life!

Clearly, RR likely never spent a dime on remediating the sub soil before they poured and laid asphalt on much of the main roads, much less on the (somewhat) less trafficked residential streets-and there's at least 100 miles of unpaved residential streets in RR as of last year. In fact, it was only late last year that the Mayor and the town council passed a $10 million bond issue-hardly a serious sum for a town that size, and which they still insist on expanding. And only part of that money's going for road work. The rest will go for more cops (hopefully) to challenge RR's still potent crime rate. Sure, nobody likes paying higher taxes and I'm sure Mayor Hall and the all Republican RR town council don't enjoy imposing them. But unless labor rates are a lot lower there than in NY, it will take a whole lot more than $10 million to make RR roads a lot less at risk from deadly sinkhole road accidents. Ditto for many other NM communities.

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