City To Shut Off Water To Buildings With Outstanding Debt (New York: crimes, limousine)

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

If the city runs out of money, how will the water stay on?

?? They will just tax more.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Gantz

?? They will just tax more.

If the city runs out of money, who will they pay to enforce the taxes

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

If the city runs out of money, who will they pay to enforce the taxes

Thats a non-issue. NYC Department of Finance doesn't take a big % of budget to run, considering they collect all of the taxes in the city.
When the city "runs out of money", what they mean is that the spending is out of control relative to tax receipts. The city still gets money. Its not like its $0. Government doesn't work for income like a private individual/corporation, they just take whatever arbitrary amount they want from everyone else in their jurisdiction.
If they have to tax you more to supply water to someone else, or subsidize their rent, that is what they will do.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Gantz

Thats a non-issue. NYC Department of Finance doesn't take a big % of budget to run, considering they collect all of the taxes in the city.
When the city "runs out of money", what they mean is that the spending is out of control relative to tax receipts. The city still gets money. Its not like its $0. Government doesn't work for income like a private individual/corporation, they just take whatever arbitrary amount they want from everyone else in their jurisdiction.
If they have to tax you more to supply water to someone else, or subsidize their rent, that is what they will do.

My point is that you can only tax so much before people can't afford to pay their taxes, that is what I mean by the city "running out of money"

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

My point is that you can only tax so much before people can't afford to pay their taxes, that is what I mean by the city "running out of money"

Then the city will have to restructure and cut expenses.
As of now, people in NYC are willing to be taxed at these rates, so the politicians have to come up with new ways to spend tax money (they will never use the surplus money to lower taxes).

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Gantz

Then the city will have to restructure and cut expenses.
As of now, people in NYC are willing to be taxed at these rates, so the politicians have to come up with new ways to spend tax money (they will never use the surplus money to lower taxes).

Let's expand on the cutting of expenses, what can be cut?

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

Let's expand on the cutting of expenses, what can be cut?

They will not cut anything unless forced to by a judge. See: Detroit.

If you want a list of agencies that can be completely cut, here are just a few. Feel free to argue why we should waste taxpayer dollars for any of these (some of the names are rather deceptive, since there are other agencies that actually do the jobs these are named after):
Mayor's Office of Animal Welfare
Mayor's Office of Appointments
Office of Asylum Seeker Operations
Civic Engagement Commission
Commission on Gender Equity
Community Affairs Unit
Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice
Department of Cultural Affairs
DemocracyNYC
GreeNYC
Mayor's Office of Environmental Cooperation
Equal Employment Practices Commission
Mayor’s Office of Ethnic and Community Media
Mayor’s Office of Food Policy
New York City Housing Development Corporation
New York City Commission on Human Rights
Mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs
New York City Loft Board
Mayor's Office of Equity
Mayor's Office of Special Projects and Community Events
Mayor's Office of Climate and Environmental Justice
Mayor’s Office of Community Mental Health
Mayor's Office of Minority and Women-owned Business Enterprises
Mayor's Office of Media and Entertainment
NYC Service
Office of Technology and Innovation
Office for the Prevention of Hate Crimes
Office of Public Advocate
Rent Guidelines Board
NYC Mayor's Office of Sports, Wellness & Recreation
Taxi and Limousine Commission
Mayor’s Office of Urban Agriculture

From dozens of other agencies that are left, deep cuts can also be made everywhere. Then just eliminate income tax all together. You can fund a proper functioning city government with just sales tax and property taxes, like in most other jurisdictions.

[SeventhFloor]

Originally Posted by Gantz

They will not cut anything unless forced to by a judge. See: Detroit.

If you want a list of agencies that can be completely cut, here are just a few. Feel free to argue why we should waste taxpayer dollars for any of these (some of the names are rather deceptive, since there are other agencies that actually do the jobs these are named after):
Mayor's Office of Animal Welfare
Mayor's Office of Appointments
Office of Asylum Seeker Operations
Civic Engagement Commission
Commission on Gender Equity
Community Affairs Unit
Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice
Department of Cultural Affairs
DemocracyNYC
GreeNYC
Mayor's Office of Environmental Cooperation
Equal Employment Practices Commission
Mayor’s Office of Ethnic and Community Media
Mayor’s Office of Food Policy
New York City Housing Development Corporation
New York City Commission on Human Rights
Mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs
New York City Loft Board
Mayor's Office of Equity
Mayor's Office of Special Projects and Community Events
Mayor's Office of Climate and Environmental Justice
Mayor’s Office of Community Mental Health
Mayor's Office of Minority and Women-owned Business Enterprises
Mayor's Office of Media and Entertainment
NYC Service
Office of Technology and Innovation
Office for the Prevention of Hate Crimes
Office of Public Advocate
Rent Guidelines Board
NYC Mayor's Office of Sports, Wellness & Recreation
Taxi and Limousine Commission
Mayor’s Office of Urban Agriculture

From dozens of other agencies that are left, deep cuts can also be made everywhere. Then just eliminate income tax all together. You can fund a proper functioning city government with just sales tax and property taxes, like in most other jurisdictions.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Some of these agencies, I've never heard of. I picked one that I was unfamiliar with to learn more about it. I picked Mayor's Office of Media and Entertainment. One thing that they do is issue press cards. Previously the NYPD used to do this. So I guess if this agency was cancelled, this responsiblity would revert back to NYPD. I'm curious to see the cause and effect if all these agencies were closed.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

I'm not disagreeing with you. Some of these agencies, I've never heard of. I picked one that I was unfamiliar with to learn more about it. I picked Mayor's Office of Media and Entertainment. One thing that they do is issue press cards. Previously the NYPD used to do this. So I guess if this agency was cancelled, this responsiblity would revert back to NYPD. I'm curious to see the cause and effect if all these agencies were closed.

They do not need a whole office to do something a small group of people (a unit) can do. Most of it is just bloat. In most other cities, the PD is the agency issuing press cards. Nothing a couple of guys at 1 Police plaza can't handle.

Some of these have deliberately "important" names (the city version of federal "Patriot Act" naming), such as "Mayor's Office of Animal Welfare" that doesn't actually run NYC animal shelters, but you'd think it does. Its just an office of grifters. You can easily cut ~30% of NYC budget and none of us would even feel it.
A lot of offices are just duplication. There is like a dozen of different "environment" "green" programs and agencies, besides DEP themselves.

[MKTwet]

Originally Posted by SeventhFloor

If the city runs out of money, who will they pay to enforce the taxes

They will just go after Trump again, that's why he must win this year to cancel out all of the fraudulent suits.

I am already in process of pulling my related assets and financial info out of NY, I'm just a small biz owner but it's ridiculous how NYC have done this before such as use trip data or other ways to track down professional sports players who has played in NYC.