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But it is in this case. We actually had some forward looking politicians that invested in education and roads, among other things. Plus Terry Sanford basically jump starting the Research Triangle after endorsing JFK was HUGE.
I currently live in SC and I what I wouldn't give to live in NC! People there - well many more than here - have brains and actually engage them at least once in awhile.
And the politics between both states is VASTLY different. NC has lots of blue and SC has a single polka dot of blue.
If Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) had been located in SC instead of NC, Obama would have lost both states (and would have lost NC by more votes than SC). There would be no DNC in North Carolina. NC would still be considered a "red state" just like the rest of the traditional south.
I laugh everytime our friends in eastern NC try to play the "we're more liberal" card. The true liberal mentality begins and ends at Chapel Hill's and Durham's city limits. The rest of the blue comes from folks who truly believe that the democratic party is 100% "for the po-folk". Understand that these particular dems are anything but liberals. In fact, they stand for many of the religious, family, social, and anti-tax agendas of most conservatives. True liberals (and/or progressives) will elect openly gay public officials. True liberals will tax themselves willingly for things such as mass transit. True liberals don't mind paying a little more in taxes for the overall social benefits of a "better" community for all citizens. In short, rural democrats are NOT liberals. Not even close. However, they will vote for "the candidate that's for the po-folks". NC and SC are twins when it comes to this political truth.
Why do you think the east wants Perdue gone so badly? Most of the east voted for her because they felt that she was "one of them". Then came the teacher layoffs, the out-sourcing of rural manufacturing jobs, and the higher taxes and late tax return checks. And what's even worse, this "woman" has the gall to actually like (GASP) Charlotte. LOL LOL LOL!!!!!! SHE HAS GOTTA GO NOW!!!!!! (hehe). But, but, but, wait.....There's a problem. The only other choice (who actually has a chance at winning) is an ex-mayor of Charlotte who wants the state to put more road money into urban-NC. He also would like to see fewer tax dollars in general leaving urban-NC for rural-NC.
Anyways, NC politics (much like SC politics) are urban vs rural vs suburban. In NC though, the urban interests are starting to become less subtle (so much that it has caught the attention of a current president). In Obama's speech last night, I can remember both Raleigh and Charlotte being mentioned (as well as quite a few midwestern/rust belt cities). The demographics of NC are certainly changing, but it's not all that different from our neighbors to the south. SC (in the next 12 years) could most certainly turn blue too. The Greenville/Spartanburg area is the only region of the state that's keeping SC red (as it stands now).
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If Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) had been located in SC instead of NC, Obama would have lost both states (and would have lost NC by more votes than SC). There would be no DNC in North Carolina. NC would still be considered a "red state" just like the rest of the traditional south.
I laugh everytime our friends in eastern NC try to play the "we're more liberal" card. The true liberal mentality begins and ends at Chapel Hill's and Durham's city limits. The rest of the blue comes from folks who truly believe that the democratic party is 100% "for the po-folk". Understand that these particular dems are anything but liberals. In fact, they stand for many of the religious, family, social, and anti-tax agendas of most conservatives. True liberals (and/or progressives) will elect openly gay public officials. True liberals will tax themselves willingly for things such as mass transit. True liberals don't mind paying a little more in taxes for the overall social benefits of a "better" community for all citizens. In short, rural democrats are NOT liberals. Not even close. However, they will vote for "the candidate that's for the po-folks". NC and SC are twins when it comes to this political truth.
Why do you think the east wants Perdue gone so badly? Most of the east voted for her because they felt that she was "one of them". Then came the teacher layoffs, the out-sourcing of rural manufacturing jobs, and the higher taxes and late tax return checks. And what's even worse, this "woman" has the gall to actually like (GASP) Charlotte. LOL LOL LOL!!!!!! SHE HAS GOTTA GO NOW!!!!!! (hehe). But, but, but, wait.....There's a problem. The only other choice (who actually has a chance at winning) is an ex-mayor of Charlotte who wants the state to put more road money into urban-NC. He also would like to see fewer tax dollars in general leaving urban-NC for rural-NC.
Anyways, NC politics (much like SC politics) are urban vs rural vs suburban. In NC though, the urban interests are starting to become less subtle (so much that it has caught the attention of a current president). In Obama's speech last night, I can remember both Raleigh and Charlotte being mentioned (as well as quite a few midwestern/rust belt cities). The demographics of NC are certainly changing, but it's not all that different from our neighbors to the south. SC (in the next 12 years) could most certainly turn blue too. The Greenville/Spartanburg area is the only region of the state that's keeping SC red (as it stands now).
You have no idea how closely you've described the politics of NJ - north vs south.
One election doesn't paint the whole picture. You have to use an average from several elections. That will show a truer picture. The red and blue also varies with local election, in state elections, and national elections.
When Obama ran, he was the first black person to ever get that far. I can't say the same for Hilary - obviously she's female and not a black man - as there was a female VP candidate before. This whole last presidential election was very strange. The next one is shaping up to be just as strange!
ETA: Well darn it! The map won't show up with these links...grrrrrr.
I laugh everytime our friends in eastern NC try to play the "we're more liberal" card. The true liberal mentality begins and ends at Chapel Hill's and Durham's city limits. The rest of the blue comes from folks who truly believe that the democratic party is 100% "for the po-folk"..
You have made a very very common error in confusing liberal and democrat.
They probably have as many differences as similarities. Liberals are often democrats, but democrats are frequently not liberal.
Don't worry, many many make this error, including many at the national level.
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Agree on that.
I can't believe how much South NJ reminds me of the Sandhills of NC
LOL, it's the same here in the SW Piedmont as what you are saying. When I cross the border into SC it is not the same.
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- as there was a female VP candidate before. This whole last presidential election was very strange. The next one is shaping up to be just as strange!
