is NoVA where the North ends? (Richmond, Arlington: neighborhood, DMV, living)

[jcp123]

DC is a very Northern city to me, but I do regard it as the border between north and south, roughly.

Re: sweet tea. Yuck. It’s too sweet. Half a packet of sweet n low (because it dissolves in the tea) is almost too much.

[slowlane3]

Originally Posted by ecko_complex24

I’ve heard the south starts below Raleigh, NC. At this rate, the south will be constrained between SC and GA on the east coast within the next 2 decades lol.

That's ridiculous. I guarantee you, NONE of my many cousins in southside region of Virginia, or Richmond, consider themselves northerners. I used to work with a lifelong native of Fredericksburg, VA. He had a deep southern drawl (and was white).

[slowlane3]

Originally Posted by Aavamphibs

Once you cross the river into Virginia you are definitely in Southern territory.

Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties of Virginia in the 21st century are assuredly NOT southern. Yes, they had many schools, roads, and parks named for Confederate generals, but those were recently re-named, or are being re-named. Their culture today includes high numbers of East Asian and South Asian professionals.

The 4 southern counties of mainland Maryland were almost completely pro-Confederate during the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln received only 1 vote in Prince Georges County. There are Confederate monuments in Baltimore, Rockville, and Easton, MD. John Wilkes Booth was from northern MD.

[webster]

Not putting Prince George County in the south is making Edmund Ruffin turn over in his grave.

And now with my latest writing and utterance, and with what will [be] near to my latest breath, I here repeat, & would willingly proclaim, my unmitigated hatred to Yankee rule—to all political, social and business connections with Yankees, & to the perfidious, malignant, & vile Yankee race

https://encyclopediavirginia.org/ent...und-1794-1865/

[NOVAmtneer82]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

That's ridiculous. I guarantee you, NONE of my many cousins in southside region of Virginia, or Richmond, consider themselves northerners. I used to work with a lifelong native of Fredericksburg, VA. He had a deep southern drawl (and was white).

I think this poster and myself were merely just saying the way people keep changing 'the line' based on one or two aspects like whether or not places serve sweet tea or everyone has a drawl- realistically Northern Virginia is still southern (lite) as Virginia is a SOUTHERN state. The point we are making is it's an arbitrary definition- you can find people with southern accents in Manassas, you can also hear a million different languages, northern accents, etc. All the major southern urban centers- Northern Virginia included have been changed by transplants.

[Flamingo13]

Originally Posted by NOVAmtneer82

I think this poster and myself were merely just saying the way people keep changing 'the line' based on one or two aspects like whether or not places serve sweet tea or everyone has a drawl- realistically Northern Virginia is still southern (lite) as Virginia is a SOUTHERN state. The point we are making is it's an arbitrary definition- you can find people with southern accents in Manassas, you can also hear a million different languages, northern accents, etc. All the major southern urban centers- Northern Virginia included have been changed by transplants.

Agree - who cares about sweet tea? Yikes.

[ICS67]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties of Virginia in the 21st century are assuredly NOT southern. Yes, they had many schools, roads, and parks named for Confederate generals, but those were recently re-named, or are being re-named. Their culture today includes high numbers of East Asian and South Asian professionals.

The 4 southern counties of mainland Maryland were almost completely pro-Confederate during the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln received only 1 vote in Prince Georges County. There are Confederate monuments in Baltimore, Rockville, and Easton, MD. John Wilkes Booth was from northern MD.

And up until two years ago the official state song of Maryland was "Maryland My Maryland", whose last stanza had the line "Huzza! she [Maryland] spurns the Northern scum!"

Sort of like Nikki Haley's opinion of Vivek Ramaswamy (an Ohioan by birth). Too bad she didn't also tell him, "Why bless your heart!"

[ecko_complex24]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

That's ridiculous. I guarantee you, NONE of my many cousins in southside region of Virginia, or Richmond, consider themselves northerners. I used to work with a lifelong native of Fredericksburg, VA. He had a deep southern drawl (and was white).

It doesn’t matter what they consider themselves, it matters what the gatekeepers of southern culture and what is the south thinks of them and their hometown. I’m just the messenger. The south keeps reducing in size because of these southern gatekeepers. A lot of people, many in the Deep South no longer consider VA as a whole part of the south.

I’m just telling you, I’ve been to parts of VA and the areas around Raleigh, I heard northern accents there and I was trying to pick some poke salad and no one seemed to know what I was talking about. I say we can put the southern line right around Fayetteville, NC.

[ecko_complex24]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties of Virginia in the 21st century are assuredly NOT southern. Yes, they had many schools, roads, and parks named for Confederate generals, but those were recently re-named, or are being re-named. Their culture today includes high numbers of East Asian and South Asian professionals.

The 4 southern counties of mainland Maryland were almost completely pro-Confederate during the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln received only 1 vote in Prince Georges County. There are Confederate monuments in Baltimore, Rockville, and Easton, MD. John Wilkes Booth was from northern MD.

These confederate monuments are still currently in these places in MD? So Arlington, Fairfax, and Loudoun counties aren’t southern, but places in MD are southern? Are you confusing southern for rural?

[ecko_complex24]

Originally Posted by ICS67

And up until two years ago the official state song of Maryland was "Maryland My Maryland", whose last stanza had the line "Huzza! she [Maryland] spurns the Northern scum!"

Sort of like Nikki Haley's opinion of Vivek Ramaswamy (an Ohioan by birth). Too bad she didn't also tell him, "Why bless your heart!"

I never understood the whole “bless your heart” thing as an insult. It just makes you sound dainty when you say that.