Declining Neighborhoods (Oxford: violent crime, homes, tenants)

[pman]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

You want Philadelphia's poor to become some other city's problem? Nice.

The city needs more affordable housing, not less. But I agree there need to be more strings attached to public housing, especially when it comes to property damage.

There's no one-size-fits-all solution. But the result of gentrification -- and, at the other end of the spectrum, reducing the availability of subsidized housing -- need to be considered. People have to go somewhere.

the last thing the city needs is more affordable housing, it already has too much. nobody is being priced out of philadelphia. what it needs is more jobs. "working class" hardly exists anymore because there are so few working class jobs left.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Well there will always be a lot of poor people in this country. Some cities just know how to handle the problem better than others, so if you wanna put it that way, Im sure the city wouldnt mind if those residents left.

Why don't you just put them all out on an uninhabited island somewhere?

Originally Posted by pman

what it needs is more jobs.

Well, exactly.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Why don't you just put them all out on an uninhabited island somewhere?

[FKD19124]

easier said than done.
When you have enough of section 8 trash and other quality of life issues and your concerns keep falling on deaf ears you have no choice but to flee.

Originally Posted by mancat100

Some people say the Northeast below Cottman is declining. This seems to be largely a self-fulfilling prophecy that could be arrested in its tracks if people would just stay put and stop panicking.

[FKD19124]

you are not looking hard enough.

Originally Posted by bryson662001

I have been frequenting the Northeast for about 10 years and don't see any sign of decline. Quality of life is hard to see, you have to experience it 1st hand. Some people complain about Mayfair.

[FKD19124]

...
People who are in denial about all this call this "diversity".
oh and don't forget you get called racist.

Originally Posted by Larry Bowa

It started going down about 15 years ago. More trash, more graffiti, more crime, more rundown houses, plenty of Section 8 housing, kids getting jumped ...

[FKD19124]

if the ones who are fleeing are trashy as you say, the northeast would have been a ghetto along time ago.

Originally Posted by phillies2011

When I lived in the northeast I found the new residents moving in to mostly be hard working people looking for a better life. Those who born and raised there? The ones who are fleeing? I've never encountered trash like that in my life.

[FKD19124]

give it time. they said the same thing about Mayfair several years ago and now look at it.
Rawhurst is right next door and is turning into a crap hole.

Originally Posted by Snwmn5

Yeah, Fox Chase is a good example of what all these neighborhoods that people complain about (Wissinoming, Oxford Circle, etc.) used to be like 15+ years ago. I also live in Fox Chase and we don't really see these problems outside of a few cars getting broken into and other occasional property crime. People still have pride in the neighborhood.

[FKD19124]

no you shouldn't but again history is a good indicator.
Usually when the first few black families move in, they are the working or professional types that bother nobody and are friendly. soon after, the trash follows. This started to happen 20 years ago in northwood.

Originally Posted by Tone509

There may be some correlation of neighborhood decline in Philly with lower-income residents - of which a disproportionate % happen to be black- but one shouldn't assume that the arrival of working-class-to-upper-income African-Americans spells impending doom for a community.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Larry Bowa

It is. Wissinoming, Mayfair, Tacony, Oxford Circle, Summerdale and Lawncrest are all in decline because of the type of people moving in.
You tell people to "stay put," but how do you expect decent people (the ones who can afford to flee, anyway) to stay put who have a pack of wild lowlives living next door to them or on their block? Not to mention there are always going to be houses for sale due to people dying, getting divorced, job transfer, job loss, etc. Plus, sometimes people move because they need/want more space or simply want out of an urban environment.
I agree that sometimes people do unnecessarily "panic," but there are always going to be people who don't panic and they wind up getting stuck in half-a-ghetto.

Are you good at defining people by "type"?