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Plenty of women (if not most women) regret a night and don't call it rape. But at the same time, taking advantage of someone who is so impaired that she can't make informed decisions doesn't make him much of a stand-up guy.
Of course it doesn’t but a woman shouldn’t let herself become so impaired she can’t make informed decisions.
For example a friend of a friend went to a bar, met a guy, went back to his house and drank what he gave her, was then claiming she was assaulted but can’t remember the whole night.
When you know there are horrible sexual predators out there, why would you go to a strangers house and also drink something he gave you, not knowing what’s in it. I would think you would have to claim some responsibility for putting yourself in harms way especially these days when there is so much evil out there.
It’s one think to be jumped when walking to your car and another thing to willing go back to a strangers house.
You're really talking about two separate issues that are hard to separate after the fact. If someone gets assaulted, the assault is entirely the responsibility of the assaulter. The victim has no responsibility for the assault.
As a separate issue, it's wise to avoid being in situations where you might be victimized. But how far do you go with that logic and still live your life? In the strictest sense, going on a first date is more risky than not dating at all. Some women do the common sense things like meeting in a public place, having someone they can call if things go south, etc, and they still end up harmed. So is a woman somehow responsible if a guy is determined to harm her, plans well, and isolates her from support so he can assault her?
Your argument also assumes, or seems to assume, that men can't control their base urges. Women actually should be able to go to the home of a recent acquaintance who is male and be safe. That's really not a high bar to set, is it?
And she CHOSE to put herself into that situation by going home with someone who she only just met that evening. No idea if he is a sex offender, has a rap sheet several pages long, a sociopath or narcissist.... No, it doesn't excuse his actions, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to just hand over an opportunity like that to someone.
And if she is admitting that she can't remember the entire evening, then she just might have consented to whatever sex happened. Regretting a night spent with someone doesn't mean you get to call it rape, and just because you can't remember consenting doesn't mean you didn't.
And I really can't understand why, the more and more we hear about this and similar scenarios, that our young women don't seem to be learning to avoid them.
That's why all women should wear burkas, and only go places in the company of the male relatives in her family. Lord knows, women are just too stupid to be out in the world by themselves.
If you, the man, can tell that a woman is so drunk, she can hardly stand, than you KNOW she wasn't cognizant enough to give consent, and it means you're taking advantage of a drunk chick. Think about it.
Many men give women drinks in bars. I even know of a woman who met a man for coffee at Starbuck's, he put something in her drink there, then got her into his car and took her to a hotel room. She doesn't remember any of that, past meeting him for coffee. Men who do this are the lowest of low.
For example a friend of a friend went to a bar, met a guy, went back to his house and drank what he gave her, was then claiming she was assaulted but can’t remember the whole night.
When you know there are horrible sexual predators out there, why would you go to a strangers house and also drink something he gave you, not knowing what’s in it. I would think you would have to claim some responsibility for putting yourself in harms way especially these days when there is so much evil out there.
It’s one think to be jumped when walking to your car and another thing to willing go back to a strangers house.
I don't know what you mean by "claimed". If she has some physical evidence yet can't remember then she was unable to give consent - therefore, she was assaulted. I'm going by what you are saying, anyone can find many loopholes so the woman can be blamed - that is typical. But it's pretty simple if she could not give consent and something in fact occurred.
Yes - the guy was responsible because HE did it. She could have taken some precautions that MAY have decreased the probability that she was specifically assaulted in this particular case...but it doesn't matter - HE did it. And he likely would have done it to whatever female was the easiest pickings for his particular MO- the victim might vary but HE is still the criminal here.
That's why all women should wear burkas, and only go places in the company of the male relatives in her family. Lord knows, women are just too stupid to be out in the world by themselves.
If you, the man, can tell that a woman is so drunk, she can hardly stand, than you KNOW she wasn't cognizant enough to give consent, and it means you're taking advantage of a drunk chick. Think about it.
I don't think anyone here is praising the man's high moral standards. But from the woman's point of view, if she can't remember whether or not she gave consent, then it's his word against hers.
Perfect example...the Weinstein accusation from actresses in hollyweird
claiming he assaulted or raped them
30 years ago...long after he helped and aided their careers
asia argento claimed he asked her back to his hotel...she accepted WOOPS
then asked for a massage...she gave him one WOOPS 2
then he forced oral sex on her....she pretended to like it WOOPS 3
then she ended up having a consensual relationship with him and let him supports her
I don't feel bad for ANY of these actresses who let this pig aid their career and NOW all of a sudden they report it...bull crap
And she CHOSE to put herself into that situation by going home with someone who she only just met that evening. No idea if he is a sex offender, has a rap sheet several pages long, a sociopath or narcissist.... No, it doesn't excuse his actions, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to just hand over an opportunity like that to someone.
And if she is admitting that she can't remember the entire evening, then she just might have consented to whatever sex happened. Regretting a night spent with someone doesn't mean you get to call it rape, and just because you can't remember consenting doesn't mean you didn't.
And I really can't understand why, the more and more we hear about this and similar scenarios, that our young women don't seem to be learning to avoid them.
You can't consent if you are incapacitated. Are you saying super-drunk people can't say yes? Just because you can get someone to say yes before they pass out doesn't mean they aren't incapacitated. Does that mean they aren't super drunk? Come up with a better argument than this - it's really old and doesn't fly anymore.
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No idea if he is a sex offender, has a rap sheet several pages long, a sociopath or narcissist.... No, it doesn't excuse his actions, but you have to be a special kind of stupid to just hand over an opportunity like that to someone. 
