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There is no universal moral argument to support racism. None. No one can make a case that it is justified. You can't say the same about homosexuality. And despite the false sense of reality in this forum, many many people out there agree with me.
There is no universal moral argument AGAINST homosexuality or gay marriage...
Maybe inside the bigoted religious community, but not out there in the real world...
The example of the preacher giving a sermon on evolution trumping creation is completely off base.
They were getting paid to do their job. Bake a cake. There's no difference between a gay/lesbian cake and a straight cake.
I agree. Plus, a church is primarily a religious institution. It is completely fine for a church to hold any point of view they choose, and deny membership and/or fellowship to anyone they choose, for any reason.
A bakery open to the general public is entirely different than a church. Government has every right to regulate commerce. There is no exception to accommodate personal religious views, unless the law chooses to grant a particular exception.
There is no universal moral argument AGAINST homosexuality or gay marriage...
Maybe inside the bigoted religious community, but not out there in the real world...
Why because you said so? In the real world, homosexuality causes real problems like the spread of HIV. If you support SSM then you lose the right to morally object against any other kind of consensual union or you are a hypocrite.
After the bakery owners went to the Internet to raise money, the court has decided that that same couple and bakery owners owe the lesbian couple who they denied a wedding cake, $135,000.
Maybe that finally sends the message that no you cannot discriminate against same sex marriage or those who are LBQT.
Of course we can expect outrage by some of the religious fundamentalist around the country. Get into the 21st century, because the rest the world really doesn't care.
Homophobic bigotry is evil, as is racist bigotry, and should be cracked down upon. Religion should not be used as an excuse for such nastiness.
On a moral or ethical level, it's the exact same thing.
No, it is not.
A cake is a cake. There is no special ingredients or blessings or anything for a "straight" cake or a "gay" cake. The process of which the cake is made is the same.
Here's one you may actually understand Jeff. I'm an atheist. If I attend your church, give a tithe of $20 and listen to your pastor silently, would your church be OK with that? Or are you going to say since I'm not Christian that your pastor is going to kick me out?
There is no universal moral argument to support racism. None. No one can make a case that it is justified. You can't say the same about homosexuality. And despite the false sense of reality in this forum, many many people out there agree with me.
Discrimination is discrimination. Black, yellow, white, gay, straight, atheist, Republican, Communist....none of it matters.
When you open your business door to the public, you can expect that the public will walk through and attempt to purchase your wares.
Refusing service based on someone's private belief is discrimination. These bakers found it out the hard way.
Note to people: Nobody cares about your religious, sexual, political, or ethnic interests. They are private to YOU alone. Keep them that way. Worship, practice, vote, love/hate or admire in privacy. Don't bring it out into the public arena. WE don't care.
Why because you said so? In the real world, homosexuality causes real problems like the spread of HIV. If you support SSM then you lose the right to morally object against any other kind of consensual union or you are a hypocrite.
By that logic, if you oppose SSM on religious grounds, you lose the right to oppose the version of Sharia law promulgated by ISIS or you are a hypocrite. After all if you support one single tiny religious law, you support them all, right?
Or maybe, that argument is absolutely fallacious...
Which is it going to be? Burkas all round, or admitting that reducto ad absurdum is a foolish way to argue your point.
-NoCapo
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