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Science exists at all only because of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it operates in accordance with laws and principles that can be discovered and applied by human minds. Science operates on the basis of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it is orderly and susceptible to investigation and analysis by human minds. But when we reach the bottom-line questions of origins - of the universe and of life - this rather astounding correlation between reality and the human mind is dismissed as coincidence, as random chance. "Nothing to see here, move along please."
No, science (as well as mathematics and logic) exists because we needed tools to avoid the problems caused by cognitive biases of our brains. The fact that we had to invent these, and each of us must learn them because they are not innate skills explains this correlation.
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Originally Posted by Irkle Berserkle
Far more plausible - and, indeed, pretty screamingly obvious - is that an overarching Intelligence is responsible for it all.
Once again an assertion. Once again no evidence. And once again ignoring the evidence we DO have.
Where did this intelligence come from? You do not know, you can only repeat the first clause mantra as if it could only apply to a god.
What is it made of? You do not know, you can only assert it must be immaterial to avoid the problem of it being made from something when your claim is there was originally nothing.
How did it know what it allegedly does? You do not know, you can only make assertions, or like other theists, avoid the question.
All problems for your god, and I have yet to see a rational argument for any of them.
The consciousness of God - also known as the unified field establishing our Reality.
Which is not an explanation, it is just repeating the problem by replacing 'overarching Intelligence' with 'the consciousness of God - also known as the unified field establishing our Reality'.
Which is not an explanation, it is just repeating the problem by replacing 'overarching Intelligence' with 'the consciousness of God - also known as the unified field establishing our Reality'.
What's the problem. Emergence or self-organizing are not explanations either - just observations - and you seem to have no problem with those non-explanations. We have reputable scientific authority positing the unified field (and fields in general) as the underlying substrate for the manifestations we observe in our Reality.
Science exists at all only because of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it operates in accordance with laws and principles that can be discovered and applied by human minds. Science operates on the basis of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it is orderly and susceptible to investigation and analysis by human minds. But when we reach the bottom-line questions of origins - of the universe and of life - this rather astounding correlation between reality and the human mind is dismissed as coincidence, as random chance. "Nothing to see here, move along please." Far more plausible - and, indeed, pretty screamingly obvious - is that an overarching Intelligence is responsible for it all.
No.
(1) the Evidence is demonstrably that " the universe and every facet of it operates in accordance with laws and principles that can be discovered". If you want to deny that, then you are denying the science that - like so many others of the human species - you rely on unquestioningly every day to work as science predicts.
(2) The bottom line - origins and so on - though progress on that is being made - are Unknowns and are no evidence for the supernatural. Nor do they in any way debunk or dicsredit what we can rely on as demonstrated by science.
(3) An overarching intelligence is not more plausible nor obvious, though I will conceded that it may appeal more to those who, not knowing makes things happen, supposes some some huge invisible being is doing it.
What's the problem. Emergence or self-organizing are not explanations either - just observations - and you seem to have no problem with those non-explanations.
That is because they ARE explanations that have been observed. We observe how and why. We STILL do not observe intelligent entities without a brain.
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We have reputable scientific authority positing the unified field (and fields in general) as the underlying substrate for the manifestations we observe in our Reality.
The solid foundation for your house of straw. That STILL does not mean the universe has a belly button. Nor is it ONE single instance of an intelligence without a brain. Must i keep on asking for just ONE example?
(1) the Evidence is demonstrably that " the universe and every facet of it operates in accordance with laws and principles that can be discovered". If you want to deny that, then you are denying the science that - like so many others of the human species - you rely on unquestioningly every day to work as science predicts.
(2) The bottom line - origins and so on - though progress on that is being made - are Unknowns and are no evidence for the supernatural. Nor do they in any way debunk or dicsredit what we can rely on as demonstrated by science.
(3) An overarching intelligence is not more plausible nor obvious, though I will conceded that it may appeal more to those who, not knowing makes things happen, supposes some some huge invisible being is doing it.
wow ... use science when it helps your religious atheism and reject it when it doesn't fit your religous looking atheism.
how are you any different then them? in terms of how you let a statement of belief about god define the universe?
That is because they ARE explanations that have been observed. We observe how and why. We STILL do not observe intelligent entities without a brain.
::Sigh:: They are NOT explanations. Explanations explain how the observed result occurs not merely when and why we observe it. What the heck does self-organizing actually mean? It seems to mean that organization occurs without any explicable causal chain . The same is true for most observations of emergence.
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The solid foundation for your house of straw. That STILL does not mean the universe has a belly button. Nor is it ONE single instance of an intelligence without a brain. Must i keep on asking for just ONE example?
There are over 7 billion "cellular" instances of intelligence that we know of here on earth alone. Your inability to conceive of a multicellular Reality comprised of individual cellular entities is a failure of your cognitive abilities. Your cognitions seem conditioned to separate entities.
Science exists at all only because of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it operates in accordance with laws and principles that can be discovered and applied by human minds. Science operates on the basis of an implicit assumption that the universe and every facet of it is orderly and susceptible to investigation and analysis by human minds. But when we reach the bottom-line questions of origins - of the universe and of life - this rather astounding correlation between reality and the human mind is dismissed as coincidence, as random chance. "Nothing to see here, move along please." Far more plausible - and, indeed, pretty screamingly obvious - is that an overarching Intelligence is responsible for it all.
"Implicit assumption?"
Following the evidence wherever it may lead is not an "implicit assumption."
Sure seems to me you're the one making some obvious implicit assumptions (for obvious reasons)...
The consciousness of God - also known as the unified field establishing our Reality.
AKA the UFEOR by you and some others. AKA not everyone. Not scientists...
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