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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
NorthSouth, Thank you for this thread. The posts highlight the fact that it is the beliefs and expectations in religions that have been created by human that are the primary stumbling block to belief in God.As Mordant repeatedly points out, there is and has been no actual justification for those beliefs and expectations except human wishful thinking. It is past time to stop that nonsense and consider God on His terms NOT ours.
I had no choice but to do that since I had no prior beliefs or expectations about God when I encountered Him. I am convinced that our only choice is to use what science has discovered about Him as the only basis for forming our expectations unless we are fortunate enough to encounter Him personally as I did. He is accessible, but not through our sensory system. "Be ye quiet and know that I am."
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Thanks Mystic, I am happier with the results of this thread than I was previously. It did not go as intended but what thread does? I'm like you in the way that we both know better than to accept any human's version of what a god would be like. What it would want, what it is thinking or saying, what it does or is going to do.....very arrogant of anyone to expect people to buy into their nonsense. But they do. For thousands of years. It's very frustrating for an atheist.
What I bolded in blue above, I agree with that the whole statement as you know. However, I do think that with atheists there is no stumbling block. There's nothing to stumble over. It's very cut and dry and not everyone is in search of the unseen because we know better. In no way do I discount your personal experience, it's what you believe and that's ok by me.
I have never understood (I thought I did when I was that other name
) why people feel this strong urge to worship something. But did I really ever feel that? No I did not. Someone taught me that I should worship this invisible being and I didn't know any better. I was embarrassed at a very young age by what I witnessed others doing in church and what my family was saying and how they behaved. So I have no real mercy for the raving mad fundamentalists on here, it's very sad to me but they need to think outside the religion box for a minute.
It's ok to question, it's ok to not be sure, it's not ok to be so sure you are correct that you are willing to attack others and condemn, judge and threaten with hellfire just because they have a different belief or opinion. I feel sure most people have heard about Jesus by now. Personal beliefs should be just that.....personal. Non-belief should be widely accepted by now but it's still as unacceptable as it ever was.
There is no answer since personal experiences are unverifiable. There doesn't need to be an answer.
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