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Old 01-28-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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No question, the ferry was poorly executed, however, I believe the idea should be revived. I agree. taxes are high too. but Coumo is throwing money at Buffalo by the BILLIONS, so we should be able to have the state sponsor it. We could have bought 50 Fast Ferries with the "Buffalo Billion"

Here's what I would do different:

2 boats, so one could leave Toronto in the early AM.
Have the Toronto terminal where it would hook directly with Toronto's subway (next stop-Rochester)

I think that Rochester being less expensive is an advantage for Canadians. If you own a Toronto based optics company, for instance, maybe it would be advantageous to build a plant here. I see all kinds of opportunities for collaboration of our universities and industries. there's more to it than just for entertainment. As I recall the original plan called for 33% staying in Rochester, 33% somewhere else in NY, and the remaining 33% going beyond NYS. Even for people just passing through, we still have the opportunity to serve then lunch, fill up their gas tank and maybe a retail purchase.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC metro
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No question, the ferry was poorly executed, however, I believe the idea should be revived. I agree. taxes are high too. but Coumo is throwing money at Buffalo by the BILLIONS, so we should be able to have the state sponsor it. We could have bought 50 Fast Ferries with the "Buffalo Billion"

Here's what I would do different:

2 boats, so one could leave Toronto in the early AM.
Have the Toronto terminal where it would hook directly with Toronto's subway (next stop-Rochester)

I think that Rochester being less expensive is an advantage for Canadians. If you own a Toronto based optics company, for instance, maybe it would be advantageous to build a plant here. I see all kinds of opportunities for collaboration of our universities and industries. there's more to it than just for entertainment. As I recall the original plan called for 33% staying in Rochester, 33% somewhere else in NY, and the remaining 33% going beyond NYS. Even for people just passing through, we still have the opportunity to serve then lunch, fill up their gas tank and maybe a retail purchase.
I said it before back when the Ferry was running and I'll say it again. Everyone wants to take the ferry to Toronto. Nobody wants to take the ferry to Rochester, NY. The influx people thought would happen never did. Numbers were terrible for the NY visitation. Once again, another demonstration of Rochesterians with blinders on. Toronto barely wanted to do it. Even they realized it was a waste of time.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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I said it before back when the Ferry was running and I'll say it again. Everyone wants to take the ferry to Toronto. Nobody wants to take the ferry to Rochester, NY. The influx people thought would happen never did. Numbers were terrible for the NY visitation. Once again, another demonstration of Rochesterians with blinders on. Toronto barely wanted to do it. Even they realized it was a waste of time.
That's strange, because I have summer neighbors not just from Toronto, but from all over the country. I talked to many people in the bars of Charlotte and it was a positive experience for them all.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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That's the letter to the D&C they published way back (I think before I graduated high school). I knew it then and was eventually justified. There may be a few here and there, but there are a lot of Toronto families already in Rochester from before the ferry (they came for the once-available jobs).

Funny thing was my aunt (same last name) worked for the mayor's office when that was published!
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Old 02-09-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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That's the letter to the D&C they published way back (I think before I graduated high school). I knew it then and was eventually justified. There may be a few here and there, but there are a lot of Toronto families already in Rochester from before the ferry (they came for the once-available jobs).

Funny thing was my aunt (same last name) worked for the mayor's office when that was published!
Thanks for sharing! I saw more people took the ferry to Toronto which definitely wasn't helping Rochester's economy.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I said it before back when the Ferry was running and I'll say it again. Everyone wants to take the ferry to Toronto. Nobody wants to take the ferry to Rochester, NY. The influx people thought would happen never did. Numbers were terrible for the NY visitation. Once again, another demonstration of Rochesterians with blinders on. Toronto barely wanted to do it. Even they realized it was a waste of time.
From what I gathered, after it was running the vast majority of Torontonians who took the ferry headed straight for the Thruway and I-81.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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From what I gathered, after it was running the vast majority of Torontonians who took the ferry headed straight for the Thruway and I-81.
Many Canadians that come over tend to come over to shop due to lower prices and more variety. I think if the shore was developed in a way that caters to the interests that Canadians have, it may work. With that said, there is nearby competition with attractions in other areas and there may be an issue with transit from the point of entry to attractions in the Rochester area.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:51 PM
 
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Many Canadians that come over tend to come over to shop due to lower prices and more variety. I think if the shore was developed in a way that caters to the interests that Canadians have, it may work. With that said, there is nearby competition with attractions in other areas and there may be an issue with transit from the point of entry to attractions in the Rochester area.
The long awaited marina project in Charlotte has finally begun. It is suppose to have a few hundred higher end housing units. Hopefully that will attract more retail.

And you're right. The mass transit system misses a lot of the regions attractions. Must have a car.
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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The long awaited marina project in Charlotte has finally begun. It is suppose to have a few hundred higher end housing units. Hopefully that will attract more retail.

And you're right. The mass transit system misses a lot of the regions attractions. Must have a car.
That is unfortunate, but are there any routes that go by site in and around Downtown, to the malls, nightlife spots and parks in the area?

I also wonder if the ferry that currently runs between Plattsburgh and Burlington VT could be an example of how a ferry between Rochester and Toronto or other locations in Ontario could work. Lake Champlain Ferries | New York & Vermont Ferry Crossings | Lake Champlain Transportation
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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I also wonder if the ferry that currently runs between Plattsburgh and Burlington VT could be an example of how a ferry between Rochester and Toronto or other locations in Ontario could work. Lake Champlain Ferries | New York & Vermont Ferry Crossings | Lake Champlain Transportation
A ferry between two dying towns isn't a good example of how a ferry can work between a dying city and bustling Canadian metro could work. Are you really that naïve?
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