"What Happened to San Francisco, Really?" (Orange, Santa Clara: crime, earthquakes)

[sav858]

Too many quakes? The last major one was 34 years ago lol.

[Cida]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

I appreciate the New Yorker seeking to NewYorksplain SF to us but they need to figure out their own city's problems first.

It's my impression that The New Yorker does a far better job of delving into NY problems that San Francisco magazine does with SF problems.

[RDNZL]

Originally Posted by xray731

Maybe take a peek at some youtube videos - despite what some think on here - they are legit and are from all over the world. The news themselves post on youtube so it's not just independent vloggers saying what they think you want them to say. It's an eye opener to see what goes on in these countries that so many on here think are great.

Nothing silly about the argument - what's silly is people not wanting to be informed - and when you follow just one train of thought and believe everything hook, line and sinker - you dumb yourself down.

I don't even know what you guys are trying to conclude with these broken arguments.

That in third world countries "everyone has a wall with an electric fence atop it" therefore personal responsibility is bad?

...or something?

[NW4me]

Originally Posted by sav858

Too many quakes? The last major one was 34 years ago lol.

If quakes were happening more often, some people here would insist that the "libs" were to blame.

[RDNZL]

Originally Posted by NW4me

If quakes were happening more often, some people here would insist that the "libs" were somehow to blame.

No, they would claim the earthquakes weren't happening and it was just a conservative conspiracy theory.

[ddeemo]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Right, the vast majority of people in SF are very personally responsible. Such an odd thing to say.

But enough in SF are not "very personally responsible" to make it an issue. Also using data from areas over 20 miles away says nothing about those in SF itself.

[Ultrarunner]

It's fallen from favor from enough to have a negative impact.

I manage rentals in the East Bay and 54% of current tenants are SF expats... which is the highest percent the company has experienced since it was founded 40 years ago.

The reasons I hear are varied... too expensive and car break-ins top the list followed by not the environment for raising kids speaking to the open drug use...

None of the above means anything except to those that voted with their feet.

That said... the SF skyline is still a magical display of city lights from the East Bay... bar none for West Coast urban landscape...

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by bus man

What's the source for the Median Income figures? I ask because I live in one of the highest-income counties in the entire country, yet not a single community within my county is listed. I'm curious as to where these numbers came from, and how they were determined.

this is from data.census.gov---and for 1-year estimates, only cities with 65,000+ population is included, which means most wealthy suburbs are excluded, not just those in your county.

I do however, have a 2022 county list of both the median hh income and the median 2-earner family income, notice the huge difference?

County-------------------Median Income, 2022--------
--------------------------Household----2-Earner Families:
$100,000+
Loudoun, VA------------$167,531----$207,624
Santa Clara, CA--------$150,839-----$232,340
San Mateo, CA---------$145,388-----$234,959
Fairfax, VA---------------$145,164----$210,715
Hunterdon, NJ----------$142,518----$179,826
Douglas, CO------------$140,003-----$172,585
Stafford, VA-------------$138,378----$161,087
Nassau, NY--------------$136,984----$178,908
San Francisco, CA------$136,692-----$239,919
Marin, CA-----------------$136,214----$244,906
Somerset, NJ------------$135,577----$186,397
Howard, MD-------------$133,438----$199,861
Arlington, VA------------$132,380----$229,546
Morris, NJ-----------------$131,795----$185,501
Fauquier, VA--------------$130,261---$161,060
Forsyth, GA---------------$129,410----$172,920
Williamson, TN-----------$129,275----$164,275
Rockwall, TX--------------$123,767----$152,290
Western CT, CT-----------$122,234----$194,531
Alameda, CA------------$122,159-----$205,087
Prince William, VA-------$120,398----$153,715
Calvert, MD---------------$120,097----$148,727
Contra Costa, CA---------$120,061----$177,292
Suffolk, NY----------------$119,838----$159,540
Frederick, MD------------$119,122----$164,034
Delaware, OH------------$119,030----$171,926
Middlesex, MA-----------$118,800----$186,436
Montgomery, MD--------$118,323---$187,966
Monmouth, NJ-----------$118,194----$163,786
Chester, PA---------------$117,232---$161,202
York, VA------------------$116,524----$147,015
King, WA------------------$116,255----$189,035
Carver, MN----------------$116,158----$160,920
Norfolk, MA--------------$115,969-----$186,738
Charles, MD--------------$115,880-----$154,250
Broomfield, CO---------$115,833-----$171,943
Oldham, KY---------------$115,187-----$154,632
Hamilton, IN-------------$114,807-----$167,959
Bergen, NJ----------------$114,332-----$170,153
St Marys, MD------------$113,717-----$177,578
Sussex, NJ---------------$113,640----$142,839
Scott, MN-----------------$113,311----$149,744
Collin, TX-----------------$113,305----$159,569
Anne Arundel, MD-----$113,125----$161,482
Alexandria, VA-----------$111,955----$197,989
San Benito, CA-----------$111,544----$132,753
Putnam, NY---------------$111,102----$162,238
Fayette, GA---------------$108,643----$153,797
Westchester, NY---------$108,144----$179,225
Rockingham, NH--------$107,442----$154,270
Montgomery, PA------$106,811----$157,706
Orange, CA----------------$106,209----$149,263
El Dorado, CA------------$105,982-----$165,268
Placer, CA------------------$105,445-----$161,494
Bucks, PA------------------$105,398-----$157,236
Fort Bend, TX-------------$105,205-----$139,829
Dallas, IA-------------------$105,132-----$169,003
Carroll, MD----------------$104,942-----$151,944
Union, OH-----------------$104,195-----$132,872
Davis, UT-------------------$103,563----$127,502
Hanover, VA---------------$103,370----$147,428
Plymouth, MA---------=---$103,173----$149,637
St Johns, FL----------------$103,017-----$144,595
Jefferson, CO-------------$102,731-----$157,070
Ventura, CA---------------$102,569-----$140,226
Denton, TX----------------$102,428-----$146,989
Middlesex, NJ------------$102,400-----$143,518
Geauga, OH--------------$102,350-----$143,503
DuPage, IL----------------$102,152------$155,153
Santa Cruz, CA-----------$102,146-----$153,013
Boone, IN------------------$102,005-----$153,360
Snohomish, WA----------$101,532------$144,696
Kendall, IL----------------$101,447------$123,551
Lake, IL------------------$101,442-----$143,028
Williamson, TX----------$101,323-----$138,735
Washington, DC--------$101,027-----$216,685
Harford, MD--------------$100,915-----$149,135
Chesterfield, VA---------$100,702-----$136,811
Burlington, NJ------------$100,478-----$142,568
Washington, RI----------$100,459-----$138,550
Rockland, NJ--------------$100,397-----$155,897
Napa, CA-----------------$100,318-----$155,226
Livingston, MI-----------$100,139-----$141,663

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by ddeemo

But enough in SF are not "very personally responsible" to make it an issue. Also using data from areas over 20 miles away says nothing about those in SF itself.

What the hell are you talking about? The numbers and percentages for SF proper are even higher than the Metro Area.

SF is the richest major city.
This is by cities proper

----------------------2022 Median Income
City-----------------Household--2-Earner Families
San Francisco, CA----$136,692--$239,919
San Jose, CA---------$133,835--$198,355
Seattle, WA----------$115,409--$216,551
Washington, DC-------$101,027--$216,685
San Diego, CA--------$100,010--$143,570
Oakland, CA-----------$93,146--$190,867
Austin, TX------------$89,415--$153,960
Denver, CO------------$88,213--$157,346
Boston, MA------------$86,331--$166,744
Atlanta, GA-----------$83,251--$167,673
Portland, OR----------$81,119--$152,207
Long Beach, CA--------$80,493--$124,078
Mesa, AZ--------------$79,496--$104,371
Colorado Springs, CA--$78,568--$117,455
Los Angeles, CA-------$76,135--$114,459
Phoenix, AZ-----------$75,969--$106,254
Raleigh, NC-----------$75,494--$138,842
New York, NY----------$74,694--$122,825
Minneapolis, MN-------$74,473--$144,304
Charlotte, NC---------$74,401--$133,756
Nashville, TN---------$71,767--$122,381
Fort Worth TX---------$71,527--$108,730
Tampa, FL-------------$71,069--$128,750
Arlington, TX---------$71,433--$103,972
Chicago, IL-----------$70,386--$130,297
Jacksonville, FL------$69,306--$106,695
Las Vegas, NV---------$68,905--$103,631
Omaha, NE-------------$67,450--$114,532
Dallas, TX------------$65,400--$100,522
Albuquerque, NM-------$64,757--$110,090
Fresno, CA------------$64,195---$95,342
Oklahoma City, OK-----$63,713--$103,728
Louisville, KY--------$63,049--$108,416
Kansas City, MO-------$62,175--$114,957
Columbus, OH----------$61,727--$103,956
Indianapolis, IN------$61,501--$101,017
Miami, FL-------------$60,989---$97,993
Houston, TX-----------$60,426--$102,271
San Antonio, TX-------$58,829---$91,234
Philadelphia, PA------$56,517--$102,110
Baltimore, MD---------$55,198--$108,726
El Paso, TX-----------$52,645---$76,992
New Orleans, LA-------$52,322--$122,947
Tucson, AZ------------$51,281---$92,391
Memphis, TN-----------$50,622---$95,377
Milwaukee, WI---------$49,270---$87,258
Detroit, MI-----------$36,453---$76,753

[drive carephilly]

So much cope in this thread.

Salaries in the Bay are high because the cost of living is ridiculous. As soon as you adjust for cost-of-living South Bay stays number 1 but SF drops to 7. And yes, of course the education levels are high, because it's really difficult to stay long term if you're not partnered up with someone who also has an advanced degree. Even if you do it's no guarantee.

But everything is fine because you've exported your income inequality to Stockton, Tracy, and Modesto.

A:"There are problems"
B:"Everything is fine here. There are no problems. Everyone is rich."
A:"Yeah but x,y,z"
B:"You don't live here."
A:"Yeah, I left because of the problems you keep saying don't exist."

SF boosters take "What if gaslighting was a place" and says "hold my Fernet"