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Speaking only for me, I would not wish to rely on it as my primary defense. Like you said, it is a low-velocity round. As such, it is not likely to cause the damage required to stop someone. Really p*ss 'em off, maybe. Therefore I can only see using it as a back-up pistol, meaning that I'd be backing up like crazy as I'm firing it.
You really believe a .38 S&W 158gr to 177gr at 620fps-760fps/176-206ft/lbs would not stop someone? What are you expecting.. Moros?
Have a .455 Webley and .45ACP conversion Webley as well but honestly they are too cumbersome for quick manipulation and I do not expect a target to stand still in a shooting situation.
Also have a 9mm Hi-Power and 92FS but I am concerned regarding muzzle flash, noise and over penetration in an interior shooting situation. Besides believe revolvers have better balance as the weight is forward of the hand which allows for maintaining the muzzle low rather than creeping upward in the event of an off balance one hand shooting situation.
I keep a Rossi .32 revolver 6 shot on my nightstand to back up the 12 ga. w/BS. I like the revolver over a semi-auto less chance of a jam where you'd have to take out the clip. Its my thing many prefer the semi-auto for more shot capability.
I picked up a Mossy pump 590sp 9 shot 2 3/4' and 8 shot 3" with a Blackhawk Knoxx adjustable recoil reducing pistol grip stock and heat shield for $375. Last owner need cash fast.
The shotgun is beast and is definitely made for only one purpose. I fired 9 rounds of 3/4 00 buck in about 7 seconds when first trying her out.
Definitely not like my Citori side by side that I use for game birds.
Thanks for that review. I would have a bad time getting around a pistol grip on a shot gun for a fact, but maybe I just have to adjust.
I have been looking around at offerings, and see semi auto too, that is something I don't want personally in a SD shot gun. For me that coud be a problem Well I guess it might also be a problem for a bad guy, but I do get pretty itchy when I am threatened.
I have never yet sent a round down range unintended, but I never want to either.
When I was looking at the mossy's on line all of them had a Ar-15 like shoulder stock as well as the pistol grip(s), some had a pistol grip on the slide.
Not sure about that see... that old Traditional nagging gets going in my head.
I think ahh err I think ahh err I think ahh err Opps slipped into baraaak mode for a moment.
I think I want a ooo a plastic traditonal stock (plastic ) Did I say that? , then a short 20" no less than 18 AND 1/4" barrel(s)
Some Stoger offerings sort of come to my idea, but if I am left to it by myself I will just end up with a side by side in walnut with blue steel barrels. Then for a few weeks at off times I will be found setting about the work bench with checkering tools.
Does this mean I am a totally helpless cause or what?
Are there any gun psych's?
Ya gotta remember I shoot flinters, and I can run AK's since each one comes with a ram rod Once I had a K-98 WW-2 vintage mauser and that gun had a really short ram rod, but it worked well enough fer me.
So is mine, as is the one in the picture. Speaking only for me, I don't think I've ever seen a Model 19 in anything other than the blued finish, though I know they made them. They quit making them in 1999.
The Model 66 was the first to come in stainless.
Well thanks! That makes me feel a little better. I tend to reach in between the mattress and box spring and finger it a little now and then when I'm in bed, just to be sure its there and oriented correctly. You know what that means. Cleaning.
You really believe a .38 S&W 158gr to 177gr at 620fps-760fps/176-206ft/lbs would not stop someone? What are you expecting.. Moros?
Its interesting that you'd ask that, tongue-in-cheek though I suspect it was.
The data you cited for the .38 S&W is nearly identical to the standard data for the .38 Long Colt, which proved largely ineffective on the Moros because it often wouldn't penetrate their wooden shields. Another incident of note, only one of several, occurred in 1905 when a prisoner on the island of Samar, P.I. attempted escape. He was shot four times at close range with a .38 Long Colt revolver loaded with U.S. Army regulation ammunition. Three of the rounds went into his chest, perforating his lungs. He finally had to be brought down with a butt-stroke from a Springfield carbine.
The .38+P round with a 158-gr bullet generates a muzzle velocity of about 1,000 fps, and transmits over 300 ft/lbs of energy. These figures are from 50% to 100% larger than those of the .38 S&W. Once you add the Hydra-Shok bullet to the .38 +P, you have a rather effective SD round. AFAIK they don't make Hydra-Shok bullets in .360 diameter, which is the diameter required for a .38 S&W.
To each his/her own, obviously.
-- Nighteyes
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Which is kinda why my main carry pistol is a Govt Model .45, or like one depending on which I am in the mood to lug on a given day. The other is a Kimber, which is a tad too pretty to be grubbin in the wood pile, be under a truck or in the garden.
My .2¢ is that it is hard to beat the Ruger SP101 in .357. Because of its low profile and high hand hold it reduces felt recoil even in the hottest load unbelievably manageable. The fitting between the barrel and cylinder works extremely well in reducing barrel/cylinder flash to an absolute minimum. Although it only holds five rounds, I wouldn't expect that some is going to need to be involved in an extend fire fight to thwart a average home invasion or burglary. If you got those kinds of problems, you are going to need something a lot more potent than a handgun.
Its interesting that you'd ask that, tongue-in-cheek though I suspect it was.
The data you cited for the .38 S&W is nearly identical to the standard data for the .38 Long Colt, which proved largely ineffective on the Moros because it often wouldn't penetrate their wooden shields. Another incident of note, only one of several, occurred in 1905 when a prisoner on the island of Samar, P.I. attempted escape. He was shot four times at close range with a .38 Long Colt revolver loaded with U.S. Army regulation ammunition. Three of the rounds went into his chest, perforating his lungs. He finally had to be brought down with a butt-stroke from a Springfield carbine.
The .38+P round with a 158-gr bullet generates a muzzle velocity of about 1,000 fps, and transmits over 300 ft/lbs of energy. These figures are from 50% to 100% larger than those of the .38 S&W. Once you add the Hydra-Shok bullet to the .38 +P, you have a rather effective SD round. AFAIK they don't make Hydra-Shok bullets in .360 diameter, which is the diameter required for a .38 S&W.
To each his/her own, obviously.
-- Nighteyes
.38 Long Colt also used in the Colt Lighting a DA revolver used by Billy the Kid. Pershing liked it as well. I have read regarding the Moro and why the bullets would not stop them... Ballistics also similar to a .32 Magnum. .380acp, .38 spl wad cutter. I see this for use against a presumably armed burglar in my home not a hopped up fanatic. I take my 9mms out when I go out of home.
Thanks for that review. I would have a bad time getting around a pistol grip on a shot gun for a fact, but maybe I just have to adjust.
I have been looking around at offerings, and see semi auto too, that is something I don't want personally in a SD shot gun. For me that coud be a problem Well I guess it might also be a problem for a bad guy, but I do get pretty itchy when I am threatened.
I have never yet sent a round down range unintended, but I never want to either.
When I was looking at the mossy's on line all of them had a Ar-15 like shoulder stock as well as the pistol grip(s), some had a pistol grip on the slide.
Not sure about that see... that old Traditional nagging gets going in my head.
I think ahh err I think ahh err I think ahh err Opps slipped into baraaak mode for a moment.
I think I want a ooo a plastic traditonal stock (plastic ) Did I say that? , then a short 20" no less than 18 AND 1/4" barrel(s)
Some Stoger offerings sort of come to my idea, but if I am left to it by myself I will just end up with a side by side in walnut with blue steel barrels. Then for a few weeks at off times I will be found setting about the work bench with checkering tools.
Does this mean I am a totally helpless cause or what?
Are there any gun psych's?
Ya gotta remember I shoot flinters, and I can run AK's since each one comes with a ram rod Once I had a K-98 WW-2 vintage mauser and that gun had a really short ram rod, but it worked well enough fer me.
LOL well good luck with your dilemma. Just remember even the Amish have to come into a modern 21st century city every once and awhile for supplies. I think once you have a tactical weapon with all its modern features it will grow on you. Heck Mac even those flintlocks you like to use were at one time considered modern new fangled gadgets.
Bulldog, Another part of the problem is re-runs of Gun Smoke running thru what ever is left of my upstairs dept. Ya see in one episode Festus had a side by side with hammers. In the scene he was 'escorting a couple bad guys to jail alone, and so as he was feeling a little sleepy, he wired the triggers back, and was holding the hammers with his thumb, while the other hand was steering his horse.
The bad guys really didn't like that idea at all.
In my quest for a SD shottie I even looked at Rossi hammer side by sides! Now I know better than that, but I can't help myself. I think I really need help from a pro..... LOL
And then there is a newer out on the market some god awful side by side pistol, a double hammer pistol made in the 50 cal range, might be 54, or even 58. I forget (good thing) what it's called, since I might buy one for SD.
The reasoning is that my .62 cal flinter pistol gets real wide eyes, and it just sits on my jewelry box. People who see that bore are just awsified. It isn't a real jewelery box, but I don't know what else to call that either. It's a 3 drawer old wooden box, I keep switch blades and sun glasses in, with a few real old paper silver certificates so I can look at paper money if I want.
The Kimber CDP Pro II is my first gun not of all carbon steels, and since then I bought a NAA mini convertable which is all stainless. So I am coming around fairly fast for me, about as fast as T Rex.
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Well I guess it might also be a problem for a bad guy, but I do get pretty itchy when I am threatened.
) Did I say that? 
, then a short 20" no less than 18 AND 1/4" barrel(s)
Then for a few weeks at off times I will be found setting about the work bench with checkering tools.
