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Old 05-09-2022, 06:40 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Are you dense? 90% of the things you mentioned happened in the so called golden age of 1950-2000. Not after. Reading is fundamental.

The fracturing of our society? Like when they were shooting college at Kent state during the so called 'Golden age'.

I don't care if boomers want to pretend that the 50s-2000 were magical, and now everything has gone to hell. Soon you will be all gone. Forgotten.
Apparently, you lack the perspective to realize how much worse things are today than back then, or maybe, you are just in denial. Then there is the other possibility, that you desire the degradation of our nation.

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what golden age would that be then?
we still had rationing here until 1953/54, the 60s were a good time here but it slowly went to hell after that, the 3 day week and union strikes.
The "golden age" for every empire is different. The British Empire was, and is, a couple centuries ahead of the US. The British Empire rose in the earliest part of the modern age, and as far as I can tell, peaked around 1800. The US peaked around 1960 (give or take a decade).
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Old 05-09-2022, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Are you dense? 90% of the things you mentioned happened in the so called golden age of 1950-2000. Not after. Reading is fundamental.

The fracturing of our society? Like when they were shooting college at Kent state during the so called 'Golden age'.

I don't care if boomers want to pretend that the 50s-2000 were magical, and now everything has gone to hell. Soon you will be all gone. Forgotten.
And it's worst now. Look up from your "smart phone" once in a while and smell the riots, sorry, "peaceful protests" that are the hallmark of this time period.
You think it's better than Kent State just because it's blm and antifa killing people instead of National Guard?
Criminals used to be prosecuted, illegal aliens were deported, family used to be the cornerstone of civilization instead of a bastardization of the concept to fit some woke nightmare.

Children used to be welcomed and celebrated, not slaughtered for convenience.

Do you prefer to be the pot or the kettle?
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Old 05-10-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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And it's worst now. Look up from your "smart phone" once in a while and smell the riots, sorry, "peaceful protests" that are the hallmark of this time period.

Do you ranch?, am asking due to my watching a recent video from one in Texas.
He feels the goal is to eliminate most ranching and dairy farming.
I also find it interesting that the Feds, rather than mandating/funding fertilizer production; are basically doing nothing.
The other issue I'm reading is tired soil, which could be the seemingly ridiculous and only solution from Washington on immediate fertilizer; compost and manure.
Problem is(as you likely well know), using that will cut yields significantly; and take years to restore the soil.
Plus I don't think restoring soil is the end goal, but rather to put farmers out of business it seems.
And yet, the media distracts everyone's attention; using abortion to polarize the masses yet again.
I can't wait to get out of here, the latest urbanization is more traffic cams to generate revenue and probably spy on us.
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Old 05-10-2022, 03:37 PM
 
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People said the same thing in the 1930's. And again in the late 60's.

I get it. You grey haired like to live in fear of everything. Can't buy a candy bar for a nickel anymore, therefore it's all going to hell.
Not sure, but I think I could buy a candy bar for 3 cents in about 1957. The deposit on an empty soda bottle was enough to cover the cost of the candy bar. Life was good.

But life today is clearly better.

YMMV
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Old 05-10-2022, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Do you ranch?, am asking due to my watching a recent video from one in Texas.
He feels the goal is to eliminate most ranching and dairy farming.
I also find it interesting that the Feds, rather than mandating/funding fertilizer production; are basically doing nothing.
The other issue I'm reading is tired soil, which could be the seemingly ridiculous and only solution from Washington on immediate fertilizer; compost and manure.
Problem is(as you likely well know), using that will cut yields significantly; and take years to restore the soil.
Plus I don't think restoring soil is the end goal, but rather to put farmers out of business it seems.
And yet, the media distracts everyone's attention; using abortion to polarize the masses yet again.
I can't wait to get out of here, the latest urbanization is more traffic cams to generate revenue and probably spy on us.
I do ranch, and as a small rancher soil conservation is paramount to maintaining your land. Commercial farming uses a lot of chemical fertilizer to artificially boost production, but those crops don't grow without that fertilizer because the ground is so drained of nutrients.

My main crop is hay for cattle feed, but I rotate the crops with dry land oats or barley. Changing the crops breaks the cycle of any bugs or plant disease like sawflies or blights because many insects and diseases are specific to a crop.
I strip farm which means I leave strips of untouched hay ground fallow between plowed strips of grain. The standing hay makes a windbreak to protect the plowed soil from wind erosion, and catches snow in the winter to put water in the ground in the spring.

The first year I plant just grain in the plowed strips, the second year I include grass and alfalfa seed with the grain. The third year the hay comes up and I plow the fallow strips to plant grain.
I rotate the fields being worked so I have my hay crop on untouched fields while working others.

Leaving fallow strips allows the hay to grow, die and decay fertilizing the ground. Planting alfalfa is a nitrogen fixer to naturally increase the health of the ground.

Cow manure from the Corrals are piled into huge heaps to compost for 3 years, then spread on the fields.
About once every 2 years before planting the hay I'll burn the straw strip which kills weeds and puts potash into the mix as another fertilizer.

I don't like commercial fertilizers in part because it retards root development so if you don't use it every year, your plants are stunted.

Some small producers like me work very hard to build up our land's health naturally. Big commercial farms can't afford to do this as it cuts production. You can look at commercial chicken farms vs free range operations to understand the difference.

The land I have is delicate. You can't overgraze it or overwork it or you'll lose topsoil and you can't put it back.
I don't think that the government is trying to drive out small producers as much as simply it is very difficult to make a living on a small place anymore. Land prices are high, livestock and grain prices are low and it's very expensive for someone to buy the land, equipment and stock to start ranching.
Plus, there aren't many young folks that want to take on a life of all that work with minimal monetary returns.

We need the food production, big commercial farms are the most efficient way to do that.

Thanks for asking.
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:07 AM
 
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Thank you for sharing, very informative.
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Old 05-11-2022, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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A lot of people don't realize that chemical fertilizers are salts, and just like the Romans figured out, you can destroy an enemy by salting their fields. Salted soil is nearly dead, the bacteria and fungi necessary to break down things like manure into nutrients don't exist. It can be reclaimed over time, but the process can take years to complete.

Once a farmer goes down the path of chemical fertilizers, it is not easy to turn back. Farms get addicted to the chemicals.
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Old 05-16-2022, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I do ranch, and as a small rancher soil conservation is paramount to maintaining your land. Commercial farming uses a lot of chemical fertilizer to artificially boost production, but those crops don't grow without that fertilizer because the ground is so drained of nutrients.

My main crop is hay for cattle feed, but I rotate the crops with dry land oats or barley. Changing the crops breaks the cycle of any bugs or plant disease like sawflies or blights because many insects and diseases are specific to a crop.
I strip farm which means I leave strips of untouched hay ground fallow between plowed strips of grain. The standing hay makes a windbreak to protect the plowed soil from wind erosion, and catches snow in the winter to put water in the ground in the spring.

The first year I plant just grain in the plowed strips, the second year I include grass and alfalfa seed with the grain. The third year the hay comes up and I plow the fallow strips to plant grain.
I rotate the fields being worked so I have my hay crop on untouched fields while working others.

Leaving fallow strips allows the hay to grow, die and decay fertilizing the ground. Planting alfalfa is a nitrogen fixer to naturally increase the health of the ground.

Cow manure from the Corrals are piled into huge heaps to compost for 3 years, then spread on the fields.
About once every 2 years before planting the hay I'll burn the straw strip which kills weeds and puts potash into the mix as another fertilizer.

I don't like commercial fertilizers in part because it retards root development so if you don't use it every year, your plants are stunted.

Some small producers like me work very hard to build up our land's health naturally. Big commercial farms can't afford to do this as it cuts production. You can look at commercial chicken farms vs free range operations to understand the difference.

The land I have is delicate. You can't overgraze it or overwork it or you'll lose topsoil and you can't put it back.
I don't think that the government is trying to drive out small producers as much as simply it is very difficult to make a living on a small place anymore. Land prices are high, livestock and grain prices are low and it's very expensive for someone to buy the land, equipment and stock to start ranching.
Plus, there aren't many young folks that want to take on a life of all that work with minimal monetary returns.

We need the food production, big commercial farms are the most efficient way to do that.

Thanks for asking.
VERY interesting post. Thanks for that.
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Old 05-23-2022, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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As a cornucopian, I am optimistic about the future. With the proliferation of rapid communications, much of the deception and disinformation has been swept away. Americans are waking up to the awareness that 89 years of creeping socialism under the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REPUBLIC is not acceptable. And the LEFT's incessant demand for "more" socialism to cure the ills of socialism are falling on deaf ears.

Unfortunately, we are approaching a point of collapse, with a national debt in excess of 30 trillion dollars, which has burdened us with an annual debt service that dwarfs the 4 years of WW2. The tax shift inflation has debauched the trade value of the worthless dollar bill (which is NOT a dollar, by law).

And as the number of taxpayers per recipient is below 2, it does not bode well when it drops to less than one per recipient.
Then, I suspect that there will be either a taxpayer revolt or a recipient riot.
In the aftermath, the American people will be offered a choice - submission to the collective State or remain under the republican form of government, where the people are the masters and the government is their servant, not their master.

If the people choose the republican form, withdraw consent from the collectivists and usurers, America may bounce back. Imagine the consequences of the abolition of all taxes on labor and industry. No more "benefits" to attract women to have "anchor babies." No more advantage to hiring "under the table." And when America is a TAX HAVEN, expatriate industries will rush back in a New York Minute. Ironically, the economic boom will create a labor shortage that will require legal immigrant labor to resolve.

Of course, once the people cease to be "human resources" pledged as collateral on the national debt (via FICA), the dollar bill will cease to be fungible legal tender. Thus billionaires will become zero-aires overnight. And since they had not paid lawful money (gold or silver coin) for their properties, they have no legal standing to retain possession, once the PDSRA is no more. Ditto, for bank foreclosures. Former owners will have the right to file a claim against the "Takers" who used fraud and deception to dispossess millions.
That won't be pretty.
And while we're at it, let's take back those millions of acres held by the Federal government. They don't "own" that land, and it is about time it is transferred to the people whose taxes paid for it. At around 2 acres per capita, that should help spark some interesting deals.
What do you think will happen, when there are no taxes on labor and industry, take home pay jumps, retail prices fall, and folks have at least 2 acres in their name?
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Old 05-23-2022, 06:43 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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A lot of people don't realize that chemical fertilizers are salts, and just like the Romans figured out, you can destroy an enemy by salting their fields. Salted soil is nearly dead, the bacteria and fungi necessary to break down things like manure into nutrients don't exist. It can be reclaimed over time, but the process can take years to complete.

Once a farmer goes down the path of chemical fertilizers, it is not easy to turn back. Farms get addicted to the chemicals.
especially when its the monocropping type of farming, without those chemicals this type of farming is impossible and over here all those chemicals are imported-mostly from Russia!- there are only 2 places in this country that make fertiliser-probably from imported chemicals- one has been mothballed and only one is actually working.
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