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This is actually occurring. A teacher writes up a student for some type of behavior that is against school policy. Student is called to principal's office for a chat and is given a lollipop.
The following incident occurred around two weeks ago. A teacher overhear the use of the F-word in the hall between classes. The student was told that language would not be tolerated. The student told the teacher he can say whatever he want to say and said, "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k." The student was written up by the teacher. He was called down to the office and no punishment was given. I didn't ask if he got a lollipop.
1. Out-of-school suspensions. These are seen as days off by students. It's a joke because these students overwhelmingly don't value education, so any time away from school is a reward for them.
2. Providing endless "modifications" and "accommodations" for students who are given the "EBD" designation often because adults in their lives (at home and at school) refuse to hold them accountable for their poor behaviors, set meaningful limits and thus harm them by insulating them from the natural consequences of this poor behavior.
3. Reinforcing manipulative behavior by students. Weak, lily-livered administrators allow students and their parents to intimidate them into forcing teachers to give in the demands of students or to overlook/minimize misbehavior. Teenagers quickly ascertain they have the upper hand and can control the adults.
I would often hear parents say that an out of school suspension was just giving them a free day off. My answer to that was -- it's a day off if YOU (the parent) lets it be a day off. Do your job.
After 33 years in education, I never saw "endless modifications and accommodations". If that's what you see, you're in a lousy school system that has beaucoup funds to throw around. (Or you don't know what you're talking about).
This is actually occurring. A teacher writes up a student for some type of behavior that is against school policy. Student is called to principal's office for a chat and is given a lollipop.
The following incident occurred around two weeks ago. A teacher overhear the use of the F-word in the hall between classes. The student was told that language would not be tolerated. The student told the teacher he can say whatever he want to say and said, "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k." The student was written up by the teacher. He was called down to the office and no punishment was given. I didn't ask if he got a lollipop.
I would often hear parents say that an out of school suspension was just giving them a free day off. My answer to that was -- it's a day off if YOU (the parent) lets it be a day off. Do your job.
After 33 years in education, I never saw "endless modifications and accommodations". If that's what you see, you're in a lousy school system that has beaucoup funds to throw around. (Or you don't know what you're talking about).
Or, and I'll just throw this out as a possibility, you were the one in the "exceptional school." Just a thought.
And I don't believe for a nanosecond that you ever told a parent to "do your job."
This is actually occurring. A teacher writes up a student for some type of behavior that is against school policy. Student is called to principal's office for a chat and is given a lollipop.
The following incident occurred around two weeks ago. A teacher overhear the use of the F-word in the hall between classes. The student was told that language would not be tolerated. The student told the teacher he can say whatever he want to say and said, "f**k, f**k, f**k, f**k." The student was written up by the teacher. He was called down to the office and no punishment was given. I didn't ask if he got a lollipop.
Honestly... If that is the first offense a warning seems reasonable, especially if there are extenuating circumstances.
Or, and I'll just throw this out as a possibility, you were the one in the "exceptional school." Just a thought.
And I don't believe for a nanosecond that you ever told a parent to "do your job."
Tootles.
Do you think exceptional schools don't have discipline problems?
DO you think exceptional schools don't have in-school suspensions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have suspensions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have expulsions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have students arrested on campus?
If that's what you think, then you have no understanding of exceptional schools.
And you're right I didn't tell a parent do "do your job". What I did say...every time I heard the "you're just giving him a vacation" routine was: "Then it's your job to make it not a vacation".
Honestly... If that is the first offense a warning seems reasonable, especially if there are extenuating circumstances.
I agree. As a teacher and as an administrator, my policy was LDA -- what is the least drastic action that needs to be taken to solve and issue.
I worked with many wonderful teachers. But I also had teachers who advocated that students be permanently expelled -- and yes, they meant expelled for chewing gum. And in some cases, those teachers chewed gum in school themselves.
Do you think exceptional schools don't have discipline problems?
DO you think exceptional schools don't have in-school suspensions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have suspensions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have expulsions?
Do you think exceptional schools don't have students arrested on campus?
If that's what you think, then you have no understanding of exceptional schools.
And you're right I didn't tell a parent do "do your job". What I did say...every time I heard the "you're just giving him a vacation" routine was: "Then it's your job to make it not a vacation".
That's an ample list of strawmen.
I was, of course, injecting some sarcasm into the discussion. Nary a single school, certainly not any public schools, are immune from any of those things. What in the world that has to do with the assertion that we reward various negative behaviors and that student behavior is getting worse is beyond me.
Kudos to you for the response you delivered to parents. That isn't the norm, unfortunately, which is part of the point I was making with regards to student behavior.
Student violence on teachers is in the United States is prevalent and costly. Both the American Psychological Association and the U.S. Department of Education have investigated it and the costs are pretty staggering. Here's part of the APA's findings: http://www.apa.org/education/k12/tea...timization.pdf
I'm especially amused by the implications by a few others here that classrooms in which such behaviors occur must be operated by deficient teachers. There are fantastic teachers who can't even manage it sometimes, as great as they are, in some schools and some classrooms because of the depth and extent of the student issues and school culture problems. I'd love to place some of these haughty hucksters in front of a class up here in the notorious Milwaukee Public School System. They wouldn't last ten minutes in front of the class.
It's a pattern I've noted time and again throughout my life: people who talk big about their abilities, be it in sports, in business, in education, whatever - usually amount to about a tenth of what they portray to others. If you have to imply or just tell me how good you are at something, you're usually not.
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