Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education > Teaching
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-23-2020, 05:48 PM
 
15,590 posts, read 15,716,012 times
Reputation: 22009

Advertisements

Is phonics controversial? But how is it possible that students are lagging in reading so badly?


An Old and Contested Solution to Boost Reading Scores: Phonics
As test scores lag, there’s a growing debate between proponents of the “science of reading,” which emphasizes phonics, and traditional educators who prefer to instill a love of literature.

Lagging student performance and newly relevant research, though, have prompted some educators to reconsider the ABCs of reading instruction. Their effort gained new urgency after national test scores last year showed that only a third of American students were proficient in reading, with widening gaps between good readers and bad ones.
https://www.dailynewsrooms.com/gener...cores-phonics/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-23-2020, 06:52 PM
 
1,412 posts, read 1,089,213 times
Reputation: 2953
Our district stopped teaching phonics a decade or so ago and it is really obvious now that those kids are in middle and high school.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,662,985 times
Reputation: 53074
It alternated in and out of favor in educational trends most of my own schooling, and in my time teaching reading and language arts. I would never categorize the phonetic approach as "nontraditional."

The idea that a phonetic approach to decoding skills and "instilling a love of literature" are mutually exclusive is bizarre.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
19,480 posts, read 25,206,723 times
Reputation: 51125
Quote:
Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
It alternated in and out of favor in educational trends most of my own schooling, and in my time teaching reading and language arts. I would never categorize the phonetic approach as "nontraditional."

The idea that a phonetic approach to decoding skills and "instilling a love of literature" are mutually exclusive is bizarre.
I completely agree.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:13 PM
 
1,412 posts, read 1,089,213 times
Reputation: 2953
Quote:
Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
It alternated in and out of favor in educational trends most of my own schooling, and in my time teaching reading and language arts. I would never categorize the phonetic approach as "nontraditional."

The idea that a phonetic approach to decoding skills and "instilling a love of literature" are mutually exclusive is bizarre.
THIS!

You know, most of these education trends have some value... But they are all just tools, and replacing all your hammers with drills is just dumb.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,662,985 times
Reputation: 53074
I mean, one addresses the mechanics of decoding words, and is unrelated to literary appreciation. Children who don't decode at all yet, like my children, who are two and four, have of love of literature that stems from being read to daily from birth. As they learn letter recognition and phonemic awareness, they're not suddenly going to start hating a good story.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,662,985 times
Reputation: 53074
Quote:
Originally Posted by history nerd View Post
THIS!

You know, most of these education trends have some value... But they are all just tools, and replacing all your hammers with drills is just dumb.
And all-or-nothing approaches are ridiculous. So much throwing out the baby with the bath water, instead of incorporating many elements of evidence-based strategies. Sometimes you need hammers and drills to do a complete job.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:20 PM
 
12,882 posts, read 9,112,118 times
Reputation: 35022
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cida View Post
Is phonics controversial? But how is it possible that students are lagging in reading so badly?


An Old and Contested Solution to Boost Reading Scores: Phonics
As test scores lag, there’s a growing debate between proponents of the “science of reading,” which emphasizes phonics, and traditional educators who prefer to instill a love of literature.

Lagging student performance and newly relevant research, though, have prompted some educators to reconsider the ABCs of reading instruction. Their effort gained new urgency after national test scores last year showed that only a third of American students were proficient in reading, with widening gaps between good readers and bad ones.
https://www.dailynewsrooms.com/gener...cores-phonics/
There is incredible irony in that statement about which side is traditional.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,662,985 times
Reputation: 53074
"They" also need to recognize that the biggest shift that has occurred in tandem with plummeting reading proficiency is not regularly alternating teaching philosophies and approaches. It is how children are read to at an ever-decreasing rate, and how increasingly rare it is that children are encouraged outside of school to read for pleasure or have it modeled.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2020, 08:27 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
102,252 posts, read 108,183,264 times
Reputation: 116244
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cida View Post
Is phonics controversial? But how is it possible that students are lagging in reading so badly?


An Old and Contested Solution to Boost Reading Scores: Phonics
As test scores lag, there’s a growing debate between proponents of the “science of reading,” which emphasizes phonics, and traditional educators who prefer to instill a love of literature.

Lagging student performance and newly relevant research, though, have prompted some educators to reconsider the ABCs of reading instruction. Their effort gained new urgency after national test scores last year showed that only a third of American students were proficient in reading, with widening gaps between good readers and bad ones.
https://www.dailynewsrooms.com/gener...cores-phonics/
lol. Since when did skipping phonics and "instilling a love of literature" get labeled "traditional"? Wow! First of all, before you can acquire a love of literature, you need to be able to read Dick, Jane and Spot. From there, you need to be able to read at graduated levels of difficulty, before you get to literature. If instilling a love of literature was ever traditional, somehow I missed it. Literature was not taught in a way that made it comprehensible to me and many of my peers. The selections teachers chose were traumatizing.

I thought phonics was traditional, while anything else was a fad-driven abandonment of what works. IDK, I guess now, up is down, and black is white. Whatever.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education > Teaching

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top