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Old 07-14-2020, 01:19 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Here's the bottom line: at the end of the day it won't matter what teachers want. It never does. The decision will be dictated by parents (who, let's be honest, don't want their kids at home nor do they want the responsibility of supervising any distance learning), the business community and elected and appointed officials.

Teachers will be told what to do, they'll salute, and then they'll complete the task. If some die, well that's just the cost of doing business in public education.

If any teacher pushes back they'll be run out of the classroom by enhanced supervision and administrative harassment.
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Old 07-14-2020, 04:11 PM
 
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I've been following as many news outlets as possible, and all I keep reading and hearing is that Covid is going to get worse in the fall.
Over the last week all daily death rate projections in South Carolina have been eclipsed by roughly 30% of the original projection. The variance has been between 12-26 deaths each day with the last few days being around 20-24 per day. All projections indicate SC's death rate will level off throughout August BUT then double each day between September 1st and November 1st. So short answer yes.
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Old 07-14-2020, 04:41 PM
 
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Here's the bottom line: at the end of the day it won't matter what teachers want. It never does. The decision will be dictated by parents (who, let's be honest, don't want their kids at home nor do they want the responsibility of supervising any distance learning), the business community and elected and appointed officials.

Teachers will be told what to do, they'll salute, and then they'll complete the task. If some die, well that's just the cost of doing business in public education.

If any teacher pushes back they'll be run out of the classroom by enhanced supervision and administrative harassment.
In normal times I would agree with you. But with the impending shortage of teachers, do you think most administrators would risk losing good people with no replacements? I expect there to be a shortage of subs too, so that would figure in.
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Old 07-14-2020, 04:46 PM
 
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In normal times I would agree with you. But with the impending shortage of teachers, do you think most administrators would risk losing good people with no replacements? I expect there to be a shortage of subs too, so that would figure in.
Yes I do. With so many people demanding refunds on their property taxes because schools are closed and teachers aren't working (I guess doing distance lessons doesn't count as "teaching" although those same people complaining sure do count their time as work when working from home) school boards will tell their administrators to "deal with it". So it won't be administrators making the final decision but elected (and some appointed) officials setting policy.
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Old 07-16-2020, 12:30 AM
 
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Here's the bottom line: at the end of the day it won't matter what teachers want. It never does. The decision will be dictated by parents (who, let's be honest, don't want their kids at home nor do they want the responsibility of supervising any distance learning), the business community and elected and appointed officials.

Teachers will be told what to do, they'll salute, and then they'll complete the task. If some die, well that's just the cost of doing business in public education.

If any teacher pushes back they'll be run out of the classroom by enhanced supervision and administrative harassment.
Don't think for a minute that the quality of instruction won't be severely impacted by teachers that don't want to be there for fear of catching the virus and dying. Think morale, motivation, attitude. Basic organizational behavior tells us teacher performance (in many instances) is not likely to be good. Hence, the quality of instruction would likely be much higher with remote learning in this situation.
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Old 07-16-2020, 12:49 PM
 
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Here's the bottom line: at the end of the day it won't matter what teachers want. It never does. The decision will be dictated by parents (who, let's be honest, don't want their kids at home nor do they want the responsibility of supervising any distance learning), the business community and elected and appointed officials.

Teachers will be told what to do, they'll salute, and then they'll complete the task. If some die, well that's just the cost of doing business in public education.

If any teacher pushes back they'll be run out of the classroom by enhanced supervision and administrative harassment.
Over the last few years we've seen huge increases of teacher strikes... The teachers might not win but this will be a fight.
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Old 07-16-2020, 01:10 PM
 
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Over the last few years we've seen huge increases of teacher strikes... The teachers might not win but this will be a fight.
No it won't. Teachers will roll over just like always because it's "for the children". Parents, administrators and public officials will guilt the **** out of them. How my former system is handling it is 100% remote for the first semester but teachers have to report to the school to present the lessons, which will be delivered as a combination of real time and pre-recorded. "Robust and full time" was the phrase used.

And don't think for a minute that there won't be school boards that will start eliminating teachers. First up will likely be the Specials (PE, Music, Art) followed by core academic (ten sections of Alg I done remotely. The logic will be that one teacher instead of two can do that. It's already being talked about and has happened in a few places).

Keep in mind that 30 states outlaw teacher strikes. This would be the perfect time to get rid of strikers in those states (see previous paragraph).
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Old 07-16-2020, 03:12 PM
 
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No it won't. Teachers will roll over just like always because it's "for the children". Parents, administrators and public officials will guilt the **** out of them. How my former system is handling it is 100% remote for the first semester but teachers have to report to the school to present the lessons, which will be delivered as a combination of real time and pre-recorded. "Robust and full time" was the phrase used.

And don't think for a minute that there won't be school boards that will start eliminating teachers. First up will likely be the Specials (PE, Music, Art) followed by core academic (ten sections of Alg I done remotely. The logic will be that one teacher instead of two can do that. It's already being talked about and has happened in a few places).

Keep in mind that 30 states outlaw teacher strikes. This would be the perfect time to get rid of strikers in those states (see previous paragraph).
Ours is one of those where teacher strikes are banned. The last one was when I was doing my student teaching back in 1985 and the county where I was placed won an injunction that kept my district open while many other student teachers found themselves scrambling to get new placements.

The superintendent announced this morning that our secondary schools would be A/B hybrids with the grouping being underclassmen/upperclassmen in face-to-face classes in core classes. Everyone without a medical exemption will wear masks. Parents may opt for all-virtual, but they will be locked in for the term to the choice they make. Nothing was mentioned about teachers having the choice to teach remotely.

It may be time for me to check into retiring. I'd like to go at least another 5 years, but at this point, my spouse's opinion will mean as much as mine, as covering COBRA payments will be difficult. The irony is that I may retire and be rehired to teach virtually, making those payments manageable.

I won't have much time to decide.
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:11 PM
 
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No it won't. Teachers will roll over just like always because it's "for the children". Parents, administrators and public officials will guilt the **** out of them. How my former system is handling it is 100% remote for the first semester but teachers have to report to the school to present the lessons, which will be delivered as a combination of real time and pre-recorded. "Robust and full time" was the phrase used.

And don't think for a minute that there won't be school boards that will start eliminating teachers. First up will likely be the Specials (PE, Music, Art) followed by core academic (ten sections of Alg I done remotely. The logic will be that one teacher instead of two can do that. It's already being talked about and has happened in a few places).

Keep in mind that 30 states outlaw teacher strikes. This would be the perfect time to get rid of strikers in those states (see previous paragraph).
Well, I will let you know how it goes. Right now my district is saying 5 days a week in the building at 100% capacity masks required for us but optional for students... So yeah, we will be taking action.

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Old 07-16-2020, 04:40 PM
 
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Well, I will let you know how it goes. Right now my district is saying 5 days a week in the building at 100% capacity masks required for us but optional for students... So yeah, we will be taking action.
What state are you in?

What do you mean you're going to take action? You've been sitting at home on your ass eating bonbons since March while these poor children were cast adrift. They miss school. Some are suicidal. Do you want that on your conscience? What are parents supposed to do? They have to go to work to pay for your $100K salaries, no cost health care and gold plated pensions. The problem is that teachers know nothing about the real world and just suck at the public trough. Well no more. I pay high taxes and you work for me and by God you're going back to work the way WE say.

That's the way it will be in a lot of places and, in fact, has already started.
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