DWI/DUI's: Is car dependency to blame? (downtown, green, walkable)
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1. Cisco tried to lump all surburbanites together by saying there is nothing to do in the suburbs but drink, so Iguess urbanites are fair game.
2. I understand urbanites have this big issue with cars, but now somebody is trying to link DUI's with car dependency. To me thats a new low.
So respond directly to Cisco and don't lump everyone together. Cisco is the only one who supported the hypothesis, by my count. All others assigned primary blame to the individual or, in my case, to the state for continually reinstating licenses of hopeless drunks.
See, this is why it pays to read the posts before commenting! You know what happens when you assume, right?
1. Cisco tried to lump all surburbanites together by saying there is nothing to do in the suburbs but drink, so Iguess urbanites are fair game.
Ciscokid was stereotyping suburbs (not going to bother comment on it); not conflating posters that were pro-suburb as having identical views. You were trying to argue all the "urbanist" posters think alike.
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2. I understand urbanites have this big issue with cars, but now somebody is trying to link DUI's with car dependency. To me thats a new low.
Not really a new low to me; I thought it was rather obvious. Sure, the individual driver is at fault for driving drunk not the car dependent layout. But the layout makes drunk driving more likely. In the non-car dependent case, there's no need to even consider driving drunk. In the other, (I'm driving to a bar or party and drinking) I would either have to:
1) Limit drinking and then wait a while
2) Drink more and run the risk of driving drunk
I'm responsible enough that I wouldn't do (2) but of course there some that would choose (2). Obviously if there was no need to drive there'd be no DUI. Or let's say people choose bicycle back drunk. Far less frightening to others.
a rack and strapping should be able to hold a case of beer, as suggested by a Vermont teenager working at hardware store.
Me: (asks how much weight the setup on my bike rack could hold)
Teenager: I'd put a 30 pack on it.
Me: 30 lbs.?
Teenager: No, a 30 pack of beer.
Me: (mentally calculates weight of a case beer) my estimation is about 25 lbs?
Bicycles can also be used to transport alcoholic beverages almost as well:
a rack and strapping should be able to hold a case of beer, as suggested by a Vermont teenager working at hardware store.
Me: (asks how much weight the setup on my bike rack could hold)
Teenager: I'd put a 30 pack on it.
Me: 30 lbs.?
Teenager: No, a 30 pack of beer.
Me: (mentally calculates weight of a case beer) my estimation is about 25 lbs?
Yeah I could get a 30 pack on my rack. I'd want to get a front rack if I was getting some liquor to balance the weight
I have a whole bunch of stories from when my bicycle was my designated driver ... I'd like to say I learned from all of them, but it isn't true.
Don't drink and drive. The only person responsible is the drunk driver.
[end of story]
I agree. Everything else is just an excuse.
"Oh, but officer, I HAD to drive. It's too far to walk, and there's no pubic transportation. I forgot about that when I got drunk."
BTW, some of my daughter's friends went out drinking in Denver one night, took a cab home b/c they were drunk, and the cab got into an accident and some of them were hurt.
1. Cisco tried to lump all surburbanites together by saying there is nothing to do in the suburbs but drink, so Iguess urbanites are fair game.
2. I understand urbanites have this big issue with cars, but now somebody is trying to link DUI's with car dependency. To me thats a new low.
Just offering an opinion. People in the suburbs certainly do drive a lot. There's no denying that. They don't have much choice. But you also notice how in every typical suburb there's like a liquor store on every corner. So much so that we take it for granted and hardly give it much of a second thought. This includes your independent mom and pop liquor stores. But also your garden variety 7-11, Circle K, Rite-Aids, CVS, Wal-Greens, Wal-Mart, what have you. And of course every major grocery store carries a good selection of beer, wine and spirits as well. There is a very deep ocean of alcohol and liquor readily available at a moment's notice...to people who spend vast amounts of their time behind the wheel. Doesn't take an expert to put two and two together. Sounds to me like a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.
Just offering an opinion. People in the suburbs certainly do drive a lot. There's no denying that. They don't have much choice. But you also notice how in every typical suburb there's like a liquor store on every corner. So much so that we take it for granted and hardly give it much of a second thought. This includes your independent mom and pop liquor stores. But also your garden variety 7-11, Circle K, Rite-Aids, CVS, Wal-Greens, Wal-Mart, what have you. And of course every major grocery store carries a good selection of beer, wine and spirits as well. There is a very deep ocean of alcohol and liquor readily available at a moment's notice...to people who spend vast amounts of their time behind the wheel. Doesn't take an expert to put two and two together. Sounds to me like a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.
Perhaps you could post some stats about this?
In my state, the only alcohol sold in grocery stores is beer; it's not like Illniois where there are whole sections devoted to liquor. No alcohol is sold at drug stores or 7-11, either. Well, maybe 3.2 beer.
Just offering an opinion. People in the suburbs certainly do drive a lot. There's no denying that. They don't have much choice. But you also notice how in every typical suburb there's like a liquor store on every corner. So much so that we take it for granted and hardly give it much of a second thought. This includes your independent mom and pop liquor stores. But also your garden variety 7-11, Circle K, Rite-Aids, CVS, Wal-Greens, Wal-Mart, what have you. And of course every major grocery store carries a good selection of beer, wine and spirits as well. There is a very deep ocean of alcohol and liquor readily available at a moment's notice...to people who spend vast amounts of their time behind the wheel. Doesn't take an expert to put two and two together. Sounds to me like a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.
Pretty much. And then we have all the people who think the only solution is to tell people "Just don't do it!" and poof! end of story LOL.
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