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Old 11-10-2007, 04:51 PM
 
Location: City of North Las Vegas, NV
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Nice thread, great topic.

As mentioned, Athens Greece is definetely a primate city.
Heck, almost half of the nation's population lives there with the city of Thessaloniki being at a distant second place. Athens is the financial, political, cultural, educational and transportation center for the whole country
The reason for this is traced to that country's history.
It never really had the chance to grow normally. After 400 years of occupation by the Ottomans, which build nothing, and WWI & II and a civil war, Athens had extremely fast growth after the 1950's and onwards. Most of the buildings put up were mid rises that were drab and non-descript, with no open spaces; an urban planners nightmare. Some neo-classical buildings were torn down in the name of fast growth and fast $$. Today, some of those mistakes are trying to be corrected.

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Old 11-11-2007, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Henderson NV
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For reasons of competition and, especially security, it would be in our best interests as a nation to NOT put all of our eggs in one basket.
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Old 11-11-2007, 12:35 AM
 
Location: C.R. K-T
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Actually it does; Chicago dominates the entire Midwest. It may not be a nationwide primate city, but it is a regional primate city that no other city in the U.S. can rival.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:27 AM
 
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Is Detroit located in the midwest? If so, then by definition Chicago can't be a 'primate' city of the midwest region.
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:32 AM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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Is Detroit located in the midwest? If so, then by definition Chicago can't be a 'primate' city of the midwest region.
At first I was thinking "good point MQ." Then I got to thinking and looked up the metropolitan populations.

Chicago x = 9.5m
Detroit y = 4.4m

Detroit less than x/2. It looks like Kerrtown's declaration of Chitown's Midwestern Primacy holds.

Still interesting concept. I bet there are other regional Primates in the US. Of course regions can be quite arbitrary, but it could be fun to postulate a few.
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Uniquely Individual Villages of the Megalopolis
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Actually it does; Chicago dominates the entire Midwest. It may not be a nationwide primate city, but it is a regional primate city that no other city in the U.S. can rival.
but it is a regional primate city that no other city in the U.S. can rival.>>

Most have rivals, if not all. LA trumps Chicago. San Fran trumps LA. SF is then trumped by...........


For Atlanta's region, primacy is decreasing because development is increasing.

Chicago's primacy is increasing bc its region's development is decreasing.



As indicated in some of the data I posted, Atlanta has very had a large degree of primacy for the Southeast or Southern region. It does represent the importance of the Southeast region. But due to major population and other increases an incipience with the increased development of the region heavy weight values of the hierarchy is occurring from the whole region from Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, Tennessee where all the cities are expanding attracting new business and people from domestically and the EU/Japan.

Atlanta has been during the 80s, 90s, in primacy however it'll be eclipsed by incipient regional centers, Charlotte, Tampa, Miami, DC. Possibly Nashville. The region as a whole is achieving a low degree of primacy consistent with the formula. But when metros start consolidating we'll see. However, since you're talking about regions. Atlanta is already eclipsed furhter up the rank order by DC since the feds usually put DC in the Southeast region for census purposes. Atlanta already on the higher rank values is eclipsed by DC then probably, Miami.

Denver may also have been a truer primate, but the SLC and others are incipient. The Denver regions's primacy is becoming low because of incipence in Phoenix, Salt Lake and for the region whereever it begins or ends development is increasing.

Atlanta's rise in primacy should be held in check/balance by either Dallas on the x axis, and or Miami/DC on the y axis.

There is nothing in Chicago's region left to balance it out. With Atlanta, DC, Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Denver, LA there's plenty to balance it out.

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Old 11-11-2007, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Uniquely Individual Villages of the Megalopolis
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At first I was thinking "good point MQ." Then I got to thinking and looked up the metropolitan populations.

Chicago x = 9.5m
Detroit y = 4.4m

Detroit less than x/2. It looks like Kerrtown's declaration of Chitown's Midwestern Primacy holds.

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Increased primacy then would represent the decreased level of economic development for the region as a whole. Primacy increases, development decreases.

Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, etc.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:30 PM
 
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Is Detroit located in the midwest? If so, then by definition Chicago can't be a 'primate' city of the midwest region.
How's the economy in Detroit? How about the rest of the Midwest? Not good outside of Chicago. There seems to be a Chicago divide; no balance in the other Midwestern cities. Chicago is simply too powerful in this region.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Scarsdale, NY
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FutureCop, where are you? Set 'em all straight!
I would if I knew what the hell they were talking about... Chicago=x=4.3538762965, DC=y=7.6783408327563? What the **** is going on here? All I know is that politics is not the only thing that makes a global capital city. Two buildings in NYC have the power to spark a war, and I have no doubt that if NYC was never founded, the US wouldn't be nearly as powerful as it is today.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:41 PM
 
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I have to agree with KerrTown. Let's look at Chicago's global role as compared to other major Midwest cities based on the following criteria.

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