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Old 12-18-2013, 12:35 AM
 
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In BC, the towns White Rock and Delta are also nice towns with all amenities and they are not far from Surrey. Yes, public school is free.

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Old 12-18-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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I'd say living in Blaine is a feasible option. Bellingham is way to far to commute daily. The Canadian border guards are pretty alright, but the American ones are complete asshats. I've been a law-abiding, tax-paying American citizen my entire life and always have to take crap from them when I enter the country. Once one of them threatened my family, saying he'd lock us up or something if we didn't move the car closer to his window. C'mon man, you can just ask us kindly to move closer. They're a bunch of jack*sses.

Anyhow, I'd also consider not moving to Canada for the reasons you pointed out. I have nothing against Canada, I love it actually; but moving to another country is a huge deal.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:54 PM
 
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I would be visiting the area in few weeks and decide between Blaine and Canada.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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In response to the Point Roberts suggestion. I spend time in Point Roberts and I'm not sure that I'd want to raise a family (even though I like the community). Once the kids get a little older they have to get shuttled to "the mainland for school." The guards are great (both US and Canadian) and it is by far the best border crossing experience I've ever had and I have a Nexus card. The International Market is a fine grocery store, but you find yourself quickly wanting to run to Bellingham for better quality meats, etc. or worse eyeballing the contraband Canadian lamb from the great market in Tswassen and saying "no." You'll also need a Canadian cell phone plan. US phone service stinks in Point Roberts. Verizon is talking about putting up a tower, but it has been moving slowly. Also a massive am radio tower is being built near where the Verizon cell tower is going and it could easily muck things up. If I was living there and could afford it, I'd look at sending my kids to the South Pointe Academy in Tsawwassen. It is private, the visa for children to go there would be simple, and it is BC's number one ranked school. There are no doctor's offices in Point Roberts. There is a clinic with a nurse. Americans living in Point Roberts by air evacuation insurance and are taken by air to Bellingham in an emergency. There is ambulance service in Point Roberts and they will happily take Canadians to a Canadian hospital, but if you are a Yank without evacuation insurance you will be taken through two border crossings to the mainland for treatment.

Cell Phones. You are already going to need a Canadian cell phone plan. Canadian roaming plans are a mixed bag. On ATT, I pay $20 more a month on my family plan for voice service in Canada, but that doesn't include text messaging or data. 100 gigs of Canadian data costs you $25 a month with ATT. Even worse at least with ATT, my phone clings to a completely unusable ATT signal giving me effectively no service. For example at the Tswassen Ferry Terminal my phone sees a signal from San Juans or Bellingham which it can't use but makes my phone unusable. (No it is not from Point Roberts -- ATT doesn't have a tower there).

Whatever you do, don't use an iPhone. I love my iPhone, but Apple gave the carriers the ability to disable manual carrier selection which you absolutely need. Samsung has a Galaxy S4 (Mini and Regular) with a dual SIM option. You give up 4g but can have a US and Canadian SIM in the phone. You'll probably need it. By the way, the cheaper carriers don't work in Delta. Wind and Mobilicity have really bad coverage in this part of the GVA. Surrey is covered, but Delta is roaming.

On the Blaine side, no one has good ratings on cellular coverage either. Look how low all US carriers are rated here:

Blaine, WA Cell Towers & Reception Map | CellReception.com

TMobile gives you unlimited but throttled data in Canada and unlimited text messaging but calls are $0.20 a minute and they have no Canadian voice buckets.

Even commuting you may need some catastrophic insurance in Canada. You work there and I don't know that the visitor's coverage that most policies have may not apply if you work there on a daily basis. My wife is a border commuter and her company has a special policy to cover her in Canada added on. She works there one week a month and it was necessary.

Surrey is picking up. It certainly has some crap neighborhoods by the over-heated Vancouver real estate market has helped Surrey (together with better policing). Delta is nice. By the way, Tsawwassen and Ladner are part of Delta legally even though people talk about them as being separate and they feel that way. White Rock is a city which is fully surrounded by Surrey (except for the water side).

I like Tsawwassen a lot and Point Roberts is very handy. The problem is that it is pricey for owning a home in. Point Roberts means that you can get US groceries (Point Robert grocery stores clearly mark which produce and groceries can't go back to Canada) and gas. It also means Amazon.com deliveries and daily U.S. mail. Again, the problem is the price of real estate. I looked at 1,000 square foot model home in a new development and it was $450,000.

I could go on for pages more, but I'm on Eastern time and getting tired. Good luck.

Stu

PS: Whichever side of the border you land, get your entire family a Nexus card. You will be crossing all the time. Also get one of the border wait apps from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store.

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Old 12-21-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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Thanks Stu, you reply is very detailed and helped a lot. Cheaper cost of living in the US is definitely very attractive but we are used to live in bigger cities and the communities on the US side are very small. Bellingham is a little bit far away for daily commute. Crossing border every day will also be an issue. With kids so young, I don't want to live separate from them and see them only on weekends. I am more leaning towards living in Canada and coming on weekends to Bellingham / Costco for Gas and shopping. Regarding Income taxes, I have to pay BC / Canadian taxes as I would be working / earning there, doesn't matter where I live.
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Old 12-23-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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Thanks. Excuse the typos. As I said, I was tired that night.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:18 PM
 
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We will be most likely moving to Surrey. What are the options for internet and TV providers there?
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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Everything is available. Rogers, Bell, Shaw, Telus, a local Novus, and more. If you are in Delta rather than Surrey, there is also Delta Cable.

Canadian internet typically has usages caps starting at 250 gigs a month and moving upward.
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Any updates on your experience that you are willing to share? I'm looking at a similar move.
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Old 12-10-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Isn't the person in this video being the jerk exhibiting the bad attitude. I'm American. Wife is Canadian. We cross the border all the time. Her family visits is in the states all the time. Never had a bad experience because we don't act like this douche.

Border won't be a problem if you dont act like this.

Also, Point Roberts is the place to live if you already have jobs. Hard for your wife to find a job there though.


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One bad border guard and you could be denied entry into Canada.
while this incident in the link is a Canadian going into the USA border guards have a tendency to exhibit similar attitudes no matter which way you are going.
As an example;;

Couple Arrested At U.S. Border For Asking Questions - YouTube

IMO if you work in Canada ,live in Canada.
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