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Old 11-05-2009, 05:38 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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Just saw the HSUS video of the treatment of calves in an organic slaughterhouse. It also referenced organic eggs and dairy farms as being inhumane. I have been buying organic milk and eggs and assUMEd that the chickens and cows were humanely treated. I am now sick and guilt-ridden.

Does anyone have any starter recipes for those wishing to convert? We love veggies, but also eggs and dairy. Any providers of cruelty-free eggs, cheese, milk that I can rely upon? We can do without meat. And we can do without eggs and dairy if it comes down to that.

If this is the wrong place to post, mod, please move. I just want to get some recipes that will be hits with my teens.

Thanks, all.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Decatur, IL
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I hate to break it to you, but no dairy is cruelty free. Cows have to be pregnant or have just given birth to give milk, just like any other mammal, and obviously the calves don't get to drink it. Cows have to be constantly impregnated to keep up with demand, and male calves go right into veal crates. Chickens will lay eggs no matter what, but unless you can find a local source where you can see the practices of the farmer yourself, there's no guarantee for that either.

Don't freak out though, it's not as hard as you think and you can work on doing it gradually. I started thinking about veganism when I got into vegan baking, because I never ate eggs enough to keep them in the house and I stopped eating most dairy to battle a skin problem.

Amazon.com: Vegan with a Vengeance : Over 150 Delicious, Cheap, Animal-Free Recipes That Rock (9781569243589): Isa Chandra Moskowitz: Books

Any book by that author is a good choice, but I think the first one would be considered the 'hippest', so would probably interest your children the most.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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That's the book I was going to suggest. The author has such a great sense of humour and you'll enjoy reading it. It's all up-beat.

They (they meaning Isa and her co-author) also have a book out - Prepare for Total Cupcake Domination, i.e., "Vegan Cupcakes Take Over the World."

Here's their site:
The Post Punk Kitchen: Vegetarian cooking & vegan baking with no attitude
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:16 AM
 
Location: SE Florida
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Thanks for the info. My GD and I are going to do some meal planning and cooking this weekend. It will be an adventure.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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Cows have to be constantly impregnated to keep up with demand,
No they don't. A cow can give milk for quite some time in between calves. When I was growing up, our cows certainly were not bred constantly. More like every two or three years, and it wasn't because they quit giving milk, it was because the quality eventually goes down. Hey, just like those other mammals -- humans!

One could argue that it's cruelty to NOT breed the cow every year, because in the wild, that's what they'd be doing.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: wrong planet
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I can find we do quite well without eggs by using ground up flax seeds in baking, egg replacer, and instead of scrambled eggs, we now eat scrambled tofu! Milk is easy, use hemp milk or almond mild or organic soymilk. Cheese is harder, I haven't found a good substitute yet. I do use Trader Joe's shredded cheese on Pizza and it tastes ok. Wish they could come up with something! I now use the vegan "pate" spreads instead, based on yeast.
Vegan Yum Yum is a GREAT cookbook, I have made several recipes and you won't miss the dairy at all. Recently made the best vegan scones!

http://www.amazon.com/Vegan-Yum-Deca...7543740&sr=8-1
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I really don't know if in this case posting my own blog is okay....I have not updated in forever but I have fun, easy and tasty vegan meals:

Vegan_Yuppy_Hippy
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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Cheese is harder, I haven't found a good substitute yet. Wish they could come up with something!
Naturally, these are the sentences which jumped out at me. I just found this:

Welcome to Our Family | Wayfare Foods

These folks are in Montana and are very small. Of course, that means that they don't have the money to push their products in national stores. But there's hope! People are still trying to find excellent "we can't call it cheese cheese."
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: in the southwest
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No they don't. A cow can give milk for quite some time in between calves. When I was growing up, our cows certainly were not bred constantly. More like every two or three years, and it wasn't because they quit giving milk, it was because the quality eventually goes down. Hey, just like those other mammals -- humans!

One could argue that it's cruelty to NOT breed the cow every year, because in the wild, that's what they'd be doing.
Thank you for posting this.
I hardly eat any meat as it is, and have not eaten veal in a good 25 years, but just as a consumer, "Cows have to be pregnant or have just given birth to give milk," did not ring true to me.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Decatur, IL
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No they don't. A cow can give milk for quite some time in between calves. When I was growing up, our cows certainly were not bred constantly. More like every two or three years, and it wasn't because they quit giving milk, it was because the quality eventually goes down. Hey, just like those other mammals -- humans!

One could argue that it's cruelty to NOT breed the cow every year, because in the wild, that's what they'd be doing.
"Some cows that do not re-breed can be milked continuously for 2-3 years, but production declines sufficiently over time that this is not usually economically feasible."

WikiAnswers - Do cows produce milk all of the time or only when pregnant like other mammals

Factory farms aren't cute little happy family farms.

I don't even want to ask what the logic is behind it being cruel to not inseminate a cow is.
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