11-30-2012, 10:53 AM
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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Hartford is becoming a large Regional Job hub , so is Springfield and New Haven not have Rail feeding into them would be stupid.... It would be like New Jersey not investing in Rail links to NYC....where most of the decent jobs are.... I go by what happens in my region which sets the standard for regional safety and Travel....drugs and crime are often thrown up but proven to be scare tactics. There are cameras and drug sniffing dogs everywhere these days....so most of the time the criminal will drive.
Scare tactics? Believe what you want. Any law enforcement official from a city with light rail and regional rail will tell you trafficking on AMTRAK etc. is not a new thing. Where there is a will there is a way. Any additional modes of transportation just provide another "way" and something else that has to be patroled spreading their resources thinner. Again, it is just reality.
Connect Springfield, Hartford and New Haven all you want......this was about connecting that population with VT and Montreal right?
I think we have beaten this topic to death at this point. Crime has to be dealt with everywhere, it isn't a reason to not bring in rail service per se.
11-30-2012, 11:33 AM
Location: The Woods
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The drug issue is true. The dealers often do deals right behind the shopping plaza in Rutland, near the train station. Nonetheless, I think better security is the answer for that problem. I do support rebuilding our passenger rail infrastructure in this state. I'm not so sure high speed rail has much of a chance here, but the state used to have all kinds of shortlines connecting towns and cities. To this day I still find old rail remnants in the woods. Railroads are more efficient and could use many different fuels. I could almost see steam power making a comeback with more modern designs as peak oil takes its toll on the petroleum market.
11-30-2012, 11:44 AM
Location: Live - VT, Work - MA
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The drug issue is true. The dealers often do deals right behind the shopping plaza in Rutland, near the train station. Nonetheless, I think better security is the answer for that problem. I do support rebuilding our passenger rail infrastructure in this state. I'm not so sure high speed rail has much of a chance here, but the state used to have all kinds of shortlines connecting towns and cities. To this day I still find old rail remnants in the woods. Railroads are more efficient and could use many different fuels. I could almost see steam power making a comeback with more modern designs as peak oil takes its toll on the petroleum market.
The voice of reason.
Bingo.
We can move on now right?
I see some freight rail also making a comeback in the NEK at this point. More frequent runs than before, also a good thing in my opinion, especially on existing lines.
12-01-2012, 10:39 PM
Location: NYC
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Given the choice, I think a drug smuggler would still choose to transport drugs via car than on a train. Amtrak police have drug dogs, and its easier to single out a suspect in a field of 200 or so passengers than simply by choosing cars at random to pull over on 91. Nobody's proposing the elimination of roads, though, and the drugs keep getting in.
12-03-2012, 11:56 AM
Location: Inis Fada
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I think one of the items the critics are missing is auto fuel prices will probably double in the next decade and double again in the decade after that. The rest of the world is just as addicted to cars as us and they will drive the price of auto fuel to very high levels. [/color]
If I read correctly, the rail would be electric? If so, is the electric generated using oil? If the cost of oil rises, won't the cost of the HSR rise, too?
12-03-2012, 04:40 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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If I read correctly, the rail would be electric? If so, is the electric generated using oil? If the cost of oil rises, won't the cost of the HSR rise, too?
Nuclear , Wind , Hydro , and Coal cover the Northeastern Electric Network. I don't think we have Oil plants in the Northeast....
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12-03-2012, 06:46 PM
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the Metro North Modal would be great along with the zone fare prices.. It should cost 15$ from Burlington to Springfield or New Haven , or 5$ to White River JCT or Rutland from Burlington....that would be the Metro North zone fare system.
I found this interesting from a MA thread.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/massa...l#post27161647
Providence to Boston is doable, but I would advise against it. For starters,
a Zone 8 pass is $314 a month , which is a significant chunk of what you're paying for a two bedroom apartment. Factor in the three hours a day you'd lose to commuting and that just isn't a great option.
12-03-2012, 07:13 PM
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I found this interesting from a MA thread.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/massa...l#post27161647
Providence to Boston is doable, but I would advise against it. For starters,
a Zone 8 pass is $314 a month , which is a significant chunk of what you're paying for a two bedroom apartment. Factor in the three hours a day you'd lose to commuting and that just isn't a great option.
Very familiar with this Zone of the MBTA system.....quite pricey, God help you if you have to park a car to take the train.....add in another $80-90/month.
12-03-2012, 08:00 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I found this interesting from a MA thread.
https://www.city-data.com/forum/massa...l#post27161647
Providence to Boston is doable, but I would advise against it. For starters,
a Zone 8 pass is $314 a month , which is a significant chunk of what you're paying for a two bedroom apartment. Factor in the three hours a day you'd lose to commuting and that just isn't a great option.
Well the Average Northeastern who uses Transit only , spends about 4-5k a year , the average car owner spends 9-12k a year....the difference is huge.... So give the option of a Transit based life I think many New Englanders choose it which they have in transit areas..... As for Commuting with traffic getting worse and worse , you save hundreds of hrs whether it be commuting to Boston or NY or a smaller city.... 3hrs vs 4hrs isn't bad , but down the road travel times should be shaved by 1-2hrs on most lines....if they go fully electric. Also very few people live out on the outer network , even down here most live within the Inner Metro area or the Dense Urbanized suburbs which means they only commute an 1 to an hour and a half at most. So 2hrs a day which isn't that bad... You get to read , sleep , text , eat , some trains have wifi , some have cafe cars , and there are bathrooms....no traffic , delays are rare what more can you ask for...
12-03-2012, 08:45 PM
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New Speculative Travel Times by 2040 from the Rail Community New York Penn Station to Brattleboro - 2 and half hrs New York Penn Station to Boston - 96 mins New York Penn Station to Portland - 3hrs New York Penn Station to Scranton - 80mins New York Penn Station to Philadelphia - 34mins New York Penn Station to Allentown - 65mins New York Penn Station to Albany - 70mins Boston to Portland - 50mins Boston to Springfield - 35mins Brattleboro to New London - 70mins Burlington to New Haven - 3hrs Burlington to Boston - 1.3hrs Burlington to Montreal - 35mins Concord to Boston - 35mins Bangor to Portland - 50mins Providence to Hartford - 25mins
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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