[RobinG60]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Good points, as while there is private land in the park, I think the character of the park is considered in such cases as well.

There are few lakes as beautiful in the world as Lake George.
The Adirondack mountain region is stellar.
If there are to be stringent building codes, let it be there.
For one of the most pristine, pure drinking water quality lakes is changing year by year as it is contaminated by road salts, foreign species of invasive fish and flora being introduced etc.

I cannot recall the scientific terminology, but recall reading many years back, LG was on the brink of passing from one classification to the next, a level of purity classification, once moved to the next level, cannot go back.

I would like to think that at least bikers friends were run thru the wringer to help preserve a legacy lake area, rather than just being drowned in bureaucratic red tape.

[paulyt23]

I like Vermont better. The people are more laid-back, easy going. The pace is slower. Vermonters are friendlier overall than people upstate. It's also more progressive politically. I wouldn't say it's Democratic-liberal, but progressive in the sense that Vermonters are very independent. They are wary of both large corporate interests as well as undemocratic governance.

[RobinG60]

Originally Posted by paulyt23

I like Vermont better. The people are more laid-back, easy going. The pace is slower. Vermonters are friendlier overall than people upstate. It's also more progressive politically. I wouldn't say it's Democratic-liberal, but progressive in the sense that Vermonters are very independent. They are wary of both large corporate interests as well as undemocratic governance.

Yes, pauly.
My readings exactly on why I chose to buy in Vermont vs upstate n.y.

[f5fstop]

Originally Posted by sheena12

That is not even remotely true.

NYC has absolutely no jurisdiction over NY State.

DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LEGAL JURISDICTION? NO I DID NOT!

other than NYC politics like most very large cities in a state control the government. Yes, NY has some smaller cities that are good size and they help. But NYC is noted to be extremely liberal; however, outside the city the state is somewhat conservative.

Similar in other states, Seattle controls the political climate of Washington, Portland for Oregon, etc.

Hope that helps to qualify what I said...if not....oh well!

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by f5fstop

DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LEGAL JURISDICTION? NO I DID NOT!

other than NYC politics like most very large cities in a state control the government. Yes, NY has some smaller cities that are good size and they help. But NYC is noted to be extremely liberal; however, outside the city the state is somewhat conservative.

Similar in other states, Seattle controls the political climate of Washington, Portland for Oregon, etc.

Hope that helps to qualify what I said...if not....oh well!

Why would someone from Idaho bump a 2017 thread with a "liberal" rant?


Look at a New York county map for the 2016 election. Outside of the New York City metro, it's a wall of red other than Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Ithaca, and Albany. In Vermont, only Essex County in the NEK was red.


Generally, the state taxes collected from the NYC economic engine supports all those red counties. The same is true with Boston vs rural western Massachusetts. Most people think it's a good thing to have services for the elderly. Good schools in the poor rural towns. Radical things like health care for lower income people. It's not like the taxes paid by the average Joe in Plattsburgh would support that level of services. Vermont tries to provide that level of services and it's a struggle without having the mega-city with the big tax base to fund it. It instead uses vacation homes (17% of all houses) to prop up lower income school systems and tourist-oriented 9% lodging/meals taxes, 10% bar alcohol tax.

[EastwardBound]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Why would someone from Idaho bump a 2017 thread with a "liberal" rant?


Look at a New York county map for the 2016 election. Outside of the New York City metro, it's a wall of red other than Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Ithaca, and Albany. In Vermont, only Essex County in the NEK was red.


Generally, the state taxes collected from the NYC economic engine supports all those red counties. The same is true with Boston vs rural western Massachusetts. Most people think it's a good thing to have services for the elderly. Good schools in the poor rural towns. Radical things like health care for lower income people. It's not like the taxes paid by the average Joe in Plattsburgh would support that level of services. Vermont tries to provide that level of services and it's a struggle without having the mega-city with the big tax base to fund it. It instead uses vacation homes (17% of all houses) to prop up lower income school systems and tourist-oriented 9% lodging/meals taxes, 10% bar alcohol tax.

The state seems to be getting a boost during this crisis with new residents moving in, does it not? Perhaps, once the current economic situation moderates in a few years, this boost will reinvigorate areas and also the tax base?

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by EastwardBound

The state seems to be getting a boost during this crisis with new residents moving in, does it not? Perhaps, once the current economic situation moderates in a few years, this boost will reinvigorate areas and also the tax base?

Vermont has a large outward migration. The top-10% of most high school classes get their college degrees and take a job in the flatlands where there is more career opportunity. That’s hardly limited to Vermont. There’s enough inward migration to offset that but the people moving in tend to be a lot older and not reliant on the weak Vermont job market. 17% of Vermont’s residential housing stock is vacation homes. An awful lot of people cash out their expensive flatland home and move to their Vermont vacation home.