Virginia voted for Biden by dougle digits. Virginia's political future. (Richmond: sale, school)

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by Jupiter1162

This is not what I'm talking about. I said, specifically NoVa. That is different from other Virginia cities in that the main city of that region (NoVa) is not in Virginia. People move there to live in the metro of a non-Virginia city. This is not the case with any of the other aforementioned cities. The other cities are fine, even if they trend blue because they are true Virginia cities. Half of the population in NoVa even resent to live in the state of Virginia in the first place.

Should D.C. or any number of federal agencies move out of the area -- Northern Virginia would lose its appeal among its liberal, transient population. Perhaps the same can be said of the Hampton Roads area, but to a lesser degree.

So basically your arguement is that Nova isn't real Virginia because it's a part of a metro area of a city not within the state? Hmm, I wonder what NJ thinks of basically all of Northern Jersey which largely a part of the NYC area and what they think about Southern Jersey which a large chunk is Philly suburbs.. I guess Atlantic City would be the real New Jersey based on your argument.

What you're saying is basically the same circumstance for any major city that borders another state. Virginia is not unique.

And how do you know that half the population in Nova resents living in Virginia? Is it because they don't get back dollar for dollar what they give to the state? I grew up in Nova and rarely heard of any resented stemming from living within the state of Virginia. And where do you think more then 50% of the students at VT, UVA, William & Mary, JMU and VCU come from..... your argument again makes no sense that these college towns are real Virginia yet Nova isn't when they supply the largest chunk of the student body

[16 Acres]

Originally Posted by spencer114

You guys will go broke in a week.

I keep telling you, try us.

NOVA needs to become it's own state and we'll both be happy.

No need to worry, we're not.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by 16 Acres

I keep telling you, try us.

NOVA needs to become it's own state and we'll both be happy.

No need to worry, we're not.

Richmond, Charlottesville and VA Beach wouldn't want to go to your side..... they would probably remain with Nova.

SW Virginia should just break off and join WV. Besides Virginia Tech, which most students leave the area after they graduate, the area doesn't contribute much to the state anyway.

[16 Acres]

Originally Posted by Ebck120

Richmond, Charlottesville and VA Beach wouldn't want to go to your side..... they would probably remain with Nova.

SW Virginia should just break off and join WV. Besides Virginia Tech, which most students leave the area after they graduate, the area doesn't contribute much to the state anyway.

Actually look at the 5th, 6th and 9th Districts (Represented by Good (soon), Cline and Griffith, all Republicans). That area needs to become it's own state. The Blue areas in those districts are in the extreme minority. The Lines could even be re-drawn a little in the 5th to tweak it.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by 16 Acres

Actually look at the 5th, 6th and 9th Districts (Represented by Good (soon), Cline and Griffith, all Republicans). That area needs to become it's own state. The Blue areas are in those districts are in the extreme minority. The Lines could even be re-drawn a little in the 5th to tweak it.

And look at the margins Charlottsville and Albermale County voted in Bidens favor. Noway is Charlottesville going to join mini West VA.

At the end of the day, Virginia ain't giving away it's cash cow. And district 5, 6 and 9 alone would make the newly formed state a very poor one, just becoming another welfare state.

[Jupiter1162]

Originally Posted by Ebck120

So basically your arguement is that Nova isn't real Virginia because it's a part of a metro area of a city not within the state? Hmm, I wonder what NJ thinks of basically all of Northern Jersey which largely a part of the NYC area and what they think about Southern Jersey which a large chunk is Philly suburbs.. I guess Atlantic City would be the real New Jersey based on your argument.

What you're saying is basically the same circumstance for any major city that borders another state. Virginia is not unique.

And how do you know that half the population in Nova resents living in Virginia? Is it because they don't get back dollar for dollar what they give to the state? I grew up in Nova and rarely heard of any resented stemming from living within the state of Virginia. And where do you think more then 50% of the students at VT, UVA, William & Mary, JMU and VCU come from..... your argument again makes no sense that these college towns are real Virginia yet Nova isn't when they supply the largest chunk of the student body

NO.

D.C. is Federal city. This is the government's swamp. Not fair to Maryland and Virginia as it suppresses our economies outside those areas immediately adjacent to the swamp.


It is not like NYC or Charlotte or Chicago with overlapping state boundaries.

[Jupiter1162]

Originally Posted by Ebck120

Richmond, Charlottesville and VA Beach wouldn't want to go to your side..... they would probably remain with Nova.

SW Virginia should just break off and join WV. Besides Virginia Tech, which most students leave the area after they graduate, the area doesn't contribute much to the state anyway.

Richmond metro was split fairly closely between Biden and Trump this election cycle. Just because Henrico (a bit more blue) and Chesterfield (barely blue) went to Biden does not mean they overwhelmingly did like Northern Virginia. The exurban counties surrounding them went solidly Red.

Richmond is the capital of Virginia, it stays with the rest of Virginia. Besides its a small city, barely pushes its weight in any which direction. Virginia is largely a rural state with no big cities. These smaller cities do not have the outsized effect on the state as a whole compared with NoVa.


Charlottesville is a college town, those go blue. Same with Prince Edward and Montgomery counties (Longwood and Radford University, respectively).

[Veritas Vincit]

Virginia's future is called New Jersey minus the Italian-Americans.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by Jupiter1162

Richmond metro was split fairly closely between Biden and Trump this election cycle. Just because Henrico (a bit more blue) and Chesterfield (barely blue) went to Biden does not mean they overwhelmingly did like Northern Virginia. The exurban counties surrounding them went solidly Red.

Richmond is the capital of Virginia, it stays with the rest of Virginia. Besides its a small city, barely pushes its weight in any which direction. Virginia is largely a rural state with no big cities. These smaller cities do not have the outsized effect on the state as a whole compared with NoVa.


Charlottesville is a college town, those go blue. Same with Prince Edward and Montgomery counties (Longwood and Radford University, respectively).

Exactly, Richmond would remain the capital of Virginia... the Virginia with Nova

Henrico, the largest county went 64% blue, Richmond went 83%, Chesterfield went 53%...... these 3 make up roughly 70% of the Richmond MSA. Not close at all.

[Ebck120]

Originally Posted by Jupiter1162

NO.

D.C. is Federal city. This is the government's swamp. Not fair to Maryland and Virginia as it suppresses our economies outside those areas immediately adjacent to the swamp.


It is not like NYC or Charlotte or Chicago with overlapping state boundaries.

And if DC wasn't there Alexandria might've become the major city of Virginia which would lean Blue like any major city and that would've pivoted the population and economy within Nova again. If Richmond became the major city then it would be a much larger blue influence within the center of the state.. you don't know what would've happened.