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you're having technical issues, son, plus you're putting words
in another person's mouth. I do not need to learn how to do that,
so why don't you go kick cans and stay off my back with your
technicalities.
No my computer and such are just fine. You made a statement, "DC was more diverse in the past," it is now shown that in fact this was not true. I didnt just say something untrue like you did I actually showed the demographic wise it is more diverse right now then ever before. You responded by saying that multiple past groups were big enough in the past and there is enough of them already. I am not putting words in your mouth you made an incorrect statement than an anti-asian/hispanic statement.
So yes DC is more diverse because the proportion of other races increased thus making the city more diverse. That is the very definition of diversity. You even acknowledged the city was more diverse when you admitted minority populations increased.
Someone else also commented. You made a mistake and instead of just admitting you were wrong you are just acting defensive and upset because you were called out. This is just making you look worse. Everyone can see you are wrong, the actual population statistics have settled this. So by all means keep putting on a show for us but it isnt going to change anything other than hurting your credibility further.
Well, I think DC was more socio-economically diverse in the pre-gentrification era. Graduate students could afford their own studios or one-bedroom apartments in sketchy neighborhoods along the 14th and 16th Street corridors. Black families with modest incomes could still afford to rent their own apartments and pay mortgages on their homes East of the Rock Creek. New immigrants coming from El Salvador were renting apartments in Adams Morgan for a couple or small family. No need to have six people sharing a one-bedroom apartment back then. A young single professional working on a GS federal payroll could swing her own apartment near DuPont Circle without much problem.
Today...the graduate students, middle-class families, non-skilled immigrants and the 20-something federal government worker cannot EVEN come close to affording 2013 rental rates. Some college students attending Georgetown, GWU or AU are leasing their own apartments in upscale neighborhoods but that's because Rich Daddy is helping out with the bills.
Yep and because it has gotten less socioeconomically diverse but culturally more diverse, it has become wealthier and whiter as well.
Yep and because it has gotten less socioeconomically diverse but culturally more diverse, it has become wealthier and whiter as well.
White doesnt mean not diverse. Diversity is having different groups. Whites increasing increases diversity up to a point, at some point if it gets too white at the expense of other groups diversity decreases but DC is nowhere near that point. It is possible if current demographic growth rates continue in a decade or two the city could be less diverse, but at the moment it is the most diverse it ever has been.
DC has gotten wealthier, no doubt about it. I dont see that as something bad. It generally means more and higher paying jobs. DC used to be poorer than the rest of the US on average now it is much richer. Here is an interesting chart on the subject.
Finally, diversity first usually means race then culture. I agree you could have income diversity but that is not the first meaning that comes to mind it is almost always racial/cultural.
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What metrics are people basing socioeconomic diversity on? From a household income standpoint, I'm seeing a lot more homogeneity in 1989 than 2011. The shift over that period certainly is decidedly towards affluence, but the income distribution is a lot more spread out.
What metrics are people basing socioeconomic diversity on? From a household income standpoint, I'm seeing a lot more homogeneity in 1989 than 2011. The shift over that period certainly is decidedly towards affluence, but the income distribution is a lot more spread out.
It could be right but there needs be a source. You can't just say it is less socioeconomically diverse without proof other than a view. It can be verified it is more racially diverse.
It could be right but there needs be a source. You can't just say it is less socioeconomically diverse without proof other than a view. It can be verified it is more racially diverse.
I think it would be helpful if the original statement was quantified first, but I'm looking at Washington DC economic characteristics from census data from the 1990 Census and the 2011 Census Bureau Survey.
In the 1990 Census, 62% of DC households fell within the 15k-75k income range and were generally more concentrated in a smaller range of incomes. In 2011, the number of lower income households has trended down, and the number of high income households has trended up (I don't think anyone would express any surprise there), but overall the distribution of incomes is less concentrated than it was in the 1990 Census.
That's all moot if people are gauging socioeconomic diversity on something other than income distribution.
Some of those things were more true during the 1970s and 1980s. The entire block filled with nude dance bars, massage parlors, and bath houses on 14th street between H and I, were gone by the late 1980s, and replaced by new office buildings and the Hilton Garden Inn - (I suspect the moving away of the nearby Greyhound and Trailways stations and the youth hostel, took away some of their business). I seem to recall that the porno magazine shops on lower 9th Street left about that time, too. The 9:30 club used be at 930 F Street (near today's YWCA).
Heh, sounds similar to the Port Authority Terminal area in Times Square.
I was there for Georgia Ave day when this happened back in high school. This was the last Georgia Ave day back in 2001. The fire marshall said there were too many people and they shut it down right after backyard (gogo band) started playing. I think they only played about 10 minutes. I knew once they shut backyard down early like that something was going to happen. Somebody started shooting in the air first and the whole crowd fell because there were so many people. I remember being able to see people below me and on top of me. It was that packed. This video doesn't show the part right after the first shots. Everyone had scattered by the time this video was shot.
D.C. was a much different place back then and I can't say that I miss that era. D.C. is much safer now and people are living much better now. It's becoming way more urban and dense with major cities ammenities the city lacked for decades. I'm still amazed how much the city has changed. I think it's better for everyone even though many long time residents don't realize it. How do you miss late night guns shots and crack heads on every corner?
MD, did they said anything about what happened to those two women (looked like two to me) who were shot?
I was in the 4th grade around 2001, so I can only recall so much from that year.
Ok, the DC I remember was QUITE different from what I remember today. For one, I know in Adams Morgan there were a lot of blacks and hispanics that lived in the neighborhood. Of course, there were whites then but more like once you crossed north side of Columbia Rd. I played with children of all races at Kalorama and Walter Pierce Park. Now more whites have moved in and more hispanic than ever. Same with Mt Pleasant Bye bye black folks! I recall H st NW was all BLACK, not a white person in sight. Now there are lots of restaurants there and plenty of whites. Georgetown still had Uno's and Barnes and Noble, not to mention FAO Swartz toy store was in Georgetown Park which was awesome back then as well. Of course as my blog brings out.. ...Chocolate City has indeed become Cookies and Cream.
Pretty soon it will look like a brownish chocolate chip cookie with chunks of dark fudge and white chocolate accompanied with yellow and orange M&M candy on top
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