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Winter lovers who live in the Northeast are definitely in luck! (Unfortunately, i am not among those people.) But if you like cold weather, you sure are living in the right place. I realized that we have only skipped winter 3 times over the past 15-20 years or so... in 1998, 2002, and this year 2012. Yet we have skipped summer a number of times. 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2009 all come to mind as years without much of a summer. Seems like 1 out of every 4 summers is a miss, where only 1 out of every 6 or 7 winters is a miss. You winter lovers definitely have an advantage.
We could compare cold winters and hot summers as well.
Cold winters: 2003, 2004, 2009, 2011
Hot summers: 1999, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2011 (the first half anyways)
Looks likes there's a lot more hot summers than cold winters, so it would seem odd that there are also more cool summers than mild winters. However, this is just based on the data Weather Underground gives my town, which only goes back to 1999.
We could compare cold winters and hot summers as well.
Cold winters: 2003, 2004, 2009, 2011
Hot summers: 1999, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2011 (the first half anyways)
Looks likes there's a lot more hot summers than cold winters, so it would seem odd that there are also more cool summers than mild winters. However, this is just based on the data Weather Underground gives my town, which only goes back to 1999.
Interesting point. I'd throw 2001 and 2010 in with the cold winters, as well as the 2nd half of 2007.
What a joke. The Mid Atlantic barely gets a winter (i.e. somewhat frequent cold/snow) in a good year, let alone in a normal or worse year, and constant warmth and heat always occurs during summertime where you live. Even in a cold winter there's so much warmth, rain, and snowmelt (assuming you even have any snow to melt) that it's enough to make any winter lover wish for more and/or longer-lasting winter weather. Cold weather? There's none of that in the Mid Atlantic, where subzero temperatures are almost always absent. Nashville, Tennessee's record low is 6 degrees colder than Philly's (-17 vs. -11), which demonstrates just how pathetic your "cold weather" is when held up against actual wintry places, and even places that don't even have cold and snowy winters. Even singles in your place seem to only occur a few times per winter in a good year. On top of that your temperatures are almost never cold enough to maintain a snowpack over a month or more, in the absence of fresh snow. It always melts, usually starting the day after it falls, and it's the rule to warm up and rain after a snow - to have consistent snow is the exception.
Now let's look at summers. Has there ever been a summer where the vegetation failed to progress beyond the Spring stage? Do you ever get anything but 70's or higher in summertime (excepting rare, short cases)? Have you ever had frost in summer, or even anything in the 40's, excepting one-off cases? The answer is no to all of these questions - you have nothing but constant warmth and heat in summertime, and the inverse (having nothing but constant cold and snow in wintertime) is very far off from the weather you get.
So your question's answer is a resounding no from me, especially applying my own personal standards, but even applying objective seasonal standards the answer is no. I respect and acknowledge that Philly may reliably have enough or too much of a winter for you, and that Philadelphia more often doesn't have enough of a summer than a lack in the winter department. If so that is fine. But if you ask the question in an objective sense, and even asking for my standards, the notion is absurd. I may also say that the assertion that Philadelphia is a winter lover's paradise is stupid and sort of insulting due to your ignorance of what a proper winter is to these people - if you don't know then don't pretend to. If you want to find a place that's biased to winter lovers, you'll have to try harder than that.
Sorry if i offended you, i certainly did not mean to be insulting. I didn't think it was possible to offend someone in a post about weather. What places would you consider to be a winter lover's paradise?
Sorry if i offended you, i certainly did not mean to be insulting. I didn't think it was possible to offend someone in a post about weather.
Any posting or statement is capable of offending people, because there are always at least a few people that will be offended by any given item. Despite its status as a long-standing small-talk item weather and climate discussions can be heated. Don't let fear of offense cripple your discussion - it's all part of fleshing out topics in a healthy way. I accept your apology since you are willing to expand your understanding.
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What places would you consider to be a winter lover's paradise?
Some good examples would be West Yellowstone, Montana, Kiruna, Sweden, and Nain, Labrador. Colder parts of Colorado such as Berthoud Pass come to mind as well. Boonville, New York, and Houghton, Michigan are also great winter places in the eastern U.S.
Plenty of snow and reliably cold temperatures in winter make for someplace a winter weather fan would like. As I said before:
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I respect and acknowledge that Philly may reliably have enough or too much of a winter for you, and that Philadelphia more often doesn't have enough of a summer than a lack in the winter department.
Winter lovers who live in the Northeast are definitely in luck! (Unfortunately, i am not among those people.) But if you like cold weather, you sure are living in the right place. I realized that we have only skipped winter 3 times over the past 15-20 years or so... in 1998, 2002, and this year 2012. Yet we have skipped summer a number of times. 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2009 all come to mind as years without much of a summer. Seems like 1 out of every 4 summers is a miss, where only 1 out of every 6 or 7 winters is a miss. You winter lovers definitely have an advantage.
Come and spend summer in London, or better still, northern Scotland and Ireland, and you'll understand what a "year without summer" really means. We tend to skip summer every other year.
Even a cool summer in London would be ideal for me.
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