Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting > Adoption
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-10-2015, 10:14 AM
 
10,196 posts, read 9,909,777 times
Reputation: 24135

Advertisements

Thoughts?

Please don

P.S. I am an adoptive mom, step mom and previous foster mom. And I am estranged from my bio family and wish they had the common sense to have placed me for adoption like their parents wanted them to. So...no attacks. I am just processing this piece and wonder what others think of it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-10-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
67,650 posts, read 61,128,773 times
Reputation: 101095
Some people are lucky to be adopted, others are adopted by dysfunctional families. Generalities aren't all that pertinent or applicable to the question.

My brother is lucky to be adopted - even though he was adopted into a rather dysfunctional family (my mother is mentally ill and my father has been an enabler for most of their marriage). His alternative was to continue to live as an Amerasian kid forced to steal food on the streets of Seoul, Korea in order to survive. So...though his life hasn't been perfect, he'd be the first to tell you that he's grateful to have been adopted.

However, I always did feel a little sorry for him because in a sense he went out of the frying pan into the fire. Still...it beats being a street urchin. And to his credit, he's forgiven both his natural mother and my parents, and has built a good life for himself. He realized a long time ago that his success depended more on his current mindset and attitude than his past and he decided that ruminating on "what might have been" is a giant waste of time. There is no "what might have been" - there is only "what is." And "what is" is largely what you make it yourself.

My grandson was adopted at age 10 months after being cared for by four different foster families. He is being raised in a very loving home now. He's lucky to have been adopted.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-10-2015, 07:51 PM
Status: "Good to be home!" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
24,155 posts, read 32,574,102 times
Reputation: 68465
Quote:
Originally Posted by HighFlyingBird View Post
Thoughts?

Please don

P.S. I am an adoptive mom, step mom and previous foster mom. And I am estranged from my bio family and wish they had the common sense to have placed me for adoption like their parents wanted them to. So...no attacks. I am just processing this piece and wonder what others think of it.

I understand you. Our family was forged by both pregnancy and paper work.

Being related by blood does not make a family - love does.

Thank you for sharing.

Obviously, I do not agree with the article that you linked. There is not one person in my own family, or extended family; who yearn for the culture of their birth or for the parents who rightly decided that they were ill equipped to raise a child. In one case, the child was removed from an abusive mother and boy friend. My cousin's daughter has no longing to reconnect with the woman who gave birth to her.

She has a mother. My cousin. And she has two brothers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
32,690 posts, read 48,227,692 times
Reputation: 78569
I've always thought it a little odd that adoptive parents feel entitled to gratitude.

The child has asked for nothing, had no input into the adoption, no control over anything at all about how they were raised or where they went and still must be grateful, no matter what. The parent has no requirement and no obligation to win or deserve respect or love. The child just owes them that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-11-2015, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
36,499 posts, read 54,184,895 times
Reputation: 47920
As an adoptive mother to three I never felt entitled to gratitude any more than a bio parent. I expect all 4 of my kids to be thankful for the ease and love they have in life and to not take it for granted.

I read the article when it first came out and was tempted to post it but did not want to stir the pot again like it was stirred a few years back. I'm sorry this woman has had problems but I'm betting she would have had problems no matter who her parents were.

My grown daughter was adopted from Korea at 3 months. She is very much aware of how her life could have been different if she had not been adopted and she is grateful but I never said "You are lucky you are with us" I did often say "We are so lucky we got to parent you."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-13-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
67,650 posts, read 61,128,773 times
Reputation: 101095
Quote:
Originally Posted by no kudzu View Post
As an adoptive mother to three I never felt entitled to gratitude any more than a bio parent. I expect all 4 of my kids to be thankful for the ease and love they have in life and to not take it for granted.

I read the article when it first came out and was tempted to post it but did not want to stir the pot again like it was stirred a few years back. I'm sorry this woman has had problems but I'm betting she would have had problems no matter who her parents were.

My grown daughter was adopted from Korea at 3 months. She is very much aware of how her life could have been different if she had not been adopted and she is grateful but I never said "You are lucky you are with us" I did often say "We are so lucky we got to parent you."
Amen and amen.

We are SO blessed to have my brother and my grandson in our lives!

There is no such thing as "what might have been." There is only "what is."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-13-2015, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Kansas
26,024 posts, read 22,214,018 times
Reputation: 26780
Quote:
Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke View Post
I've always thought it a little odd that adoptive parents feel entitled to gratitude.

The child has asked for nothing, had no input into the adoption, no control over anything at all about how they were raised or where they went and still must be grateful, no matter what. The parent has no requirement and no obligation to win or deserve respect or love. The child just owes them that.
We are adoptive parents and have met others and your experience with adoptive families does not seem to be the norm. What I read in your post is that you aren't maybe aware that children joining the family through adoption are considered to be the same to adoptive families as children born into the family at least among the "normal" families and individuals.

One of the issues I have with the article is the discussion about suicide and counseling. We were attempting to adopt through our state and a few others reading through profiles and it was not at all unusual for children in the system to be removed from very dysfunctional homes where mental illness, abuse, neglect and alcohol and/or drug addictions were the major players. Add to that poor foster homes and by the time they arrived to the adoptive homes, despite how good and dedicated the parents were, it was a rough road for everyone involved.

We adopted an infant, 4 weeks old and special needs, his fourth family that month and I could write a good article on nature versus nurture. It is a learning experience.

Is a child lucky to be adopted? I would think 90% of the time they are but to tell them that would be very inappropriate and I know some ignorant people would tell them that. I met a woman in her 60's that went into foster care and then to an adoptive home. From the story she told me, looking back she can see that she was much better off getting out of the situation with the birth parents but she was adopted by a family that was some what "generic" but they took care of her and met her needs which was a step up and she was an older child at that time. I gathered that she felt lucky that she was adopted or at least removed from the home of the birth parents.

I do think that the biggest hurdle for those that were adopted has to do with the "why" and they cannot come to terms with it thereby causing them significant issues. The "why" isn't about them and had nothing to do with them. They could have been the most beautiful, the best behaved, the most talented, the brightest, the child everyone could only dream of.............. Not about them but about the birth parent/situations beyond their control.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-14-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Aiken, South Carolina, US of A
1,794 posts, read 4,927,763 times
Reputation: 3672
I am an adult adoptee.
Let me just say, as one who knows,
There is no worse thing in the world
than being rejected by your mother.
It doesn't matter what the circumstance is, that is
irrelevant.
For a biological mother to give away her infant,
and then you never hear from the person again, is
a psycological trama for any human being.
If your mother didn't want you, no one will want you.
You feel like that your whole life.
You can have the most wonderful of upbringing, be truly
loved in every way,
but you are always an adoptee.
Always.
Just a fact.
Unless you are an adoptee, you will never understand. Ever.
They may say they are happy, don't care, happy to be adopted,
but deep down, there is a hurt that will never heal.
That's just the way it is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-14-2015, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
36,499 posts, read 54,184,895 times
Reputation: 47920
I'm really sad you feel that way but the fact is not every adoptee walks around with a wounded heart. Curious...yes.
My own 31 year old adopted daughter from Korea is very frank and honest with me. She has been curious and sometimes sad as a teenager but only because she sometimes felt marginalized in high school. She was the only Asian in her South Georgia school so that has more to do with it than being adopted.

And to say if your mother doesn't want you nobody will is just so out there. Why are people willing to travel to the ends of the earth, beg borrow and steal money to adopt children.

I tell all 3 of my adopted children that their birth mothers didn't relinquish THEM--the people they are---but an extra mouth to feed when they lived in poverty, a child who they knew would be better off elsewhere. In fact I think placing a child for adoption has to be right up there with one of the most loving things a human being can do for somebody else. I couldn't do it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-14-2015, 02:44 PM
 
2,779 posts, read 5,507,886 times
Reputation: 5068
I teach my children that we need to be grateful for our warm beds, our full dinner plates, and our loving family.

I do not teach them that they should be grateful that they were adopted. I do teach them that I am grateful to be their mother.

If any one else says something along those lines to me I always tell them that my kids actually missed out, I mean they could have lived with Angelina and Brad! In all seriousness I tell them that that is not the way we look at it at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting > Adoption

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top